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Old 01-11-2017, 03:48 PM   #81
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They sold winning the ACC. Where fans make the big mistake is placing their priorities on recruiting. The vast majority of recruits go where they go based on relationships and conference success trumps OOC rivalry success. I get you and many other Gamecock fans don't like to hear the Carolina Clemson rivalry trivialized but it isn't anywhere remotely close to a determining factor for the vast majority of recruits and is the determining factor for basically zero out of state recruits. We were beating them, they were having more success in conference. What Muschamp is selling these kids isn't come here and beat Clemson, he is selling come here and help raise us to our 1st SEC Title. What fans put towards the top of their priority list and what recruits do are two totally different things and when fans follow recruiting they have issues separating what they consider important from how the vast majority of recruits operate.
Roger that, I did not say the rivalry was a determining factor for anything just that it will be more relevant around the country as well as in state, publicity is always a good thing. Do you think bama's success had anything to do with auburns or vice versa? Do you think that florida and florida st success coincided for a reason?
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They sold winning the ACC. Where fans make the big mistake is placing their priorities on recruiting. The vast majority of recruits go where they go based on relationships and conference success trumps OOC rivalry success. I get you and many other Gamecock fans don't like to hear the Carolina Clemson rivalry trivialized but it isn't anywhere remotely close to a determining factor for the vast majority of recruits and is the determining factor for basically zero out of state recruits. We were beating them, they were having more success in conference. What Muschamp is selling these kids isn't come here and beat Clemson, he is selling come here and help raise us to our 1st SEC Title. What fans put towards the top of their priority list and what recruits do are two totally different things and when fans follow recruiting they have issues separating what they consider important from how the vast majority of recruits operate.
Recruits also know - with this year being the exception, and this year's recruits have not even signed yet - that the SEC is easily the dominant conference. So yeah, Clemson winning the ACC is an accomplishment - but us playing in a much better conference is also a selling strong point.

It is a pretty easy spin for a good recruiter - I mean, the "All Cupcake Conference" is almost too easy and too true. Winning the ACC probably means something in an ACC state - like North Carolina - but not much elsewhere.
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Roger that, I did not say the rivalry was a determining factor for anything just that it will be more relevant around the country as well as in state, publicity is always a good thing. Do you think bama's success had anything to do with auburns or vice versa? Do you think that florida and florida st success coincided for a reason?
Bama got Saban, that is the reason for their success. AU was having success before Bama was back, fell off for a bit, then rose back up. They've always been up and down with really high peaks for the last 20+ years. FSU and UF the answer to that is look at the coaches, Spurrier and Bowden. I would also attribute some of FSU's success to joining the ACC and seizing the opportunity to dominate it and exploit the recruiting windfall that followed. Spurrier made UF by having the most cutting edge offense in football. That was just a case of stars aligning in an insanely talent rich state.
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Bama got Saban, that is the reason for their success. AU was having success before Bama was back, fell off for a bit, then rose back up. They've always been up and down with really high peaks for the last 20+ years. FSU and UF the answer to that is look at the coaches, Spurrier and Bowden. I would also attribute some of FSU's success to joining the ACC and seizing the opportunity to dominate it and exploit the recruiting windfall that followed. Spurrier made UF by having the most cutting edge offense in football. That was just a case of stars aligning in an insanely talent rich state.
fsu had finished inside the top 5, five years straight before joining the acc, they were a powerhouse long before they joined the acc. In fact Spurrier was hired at florida due to the success Bowden was having and the florida school threw a ton of money at the program. The war was on between the 2 schools not much different than us being 1 win shy of a national title 3 years after clemsux won it in 1981. You can dismiss it if you wish but the competiveness of rivalries spurs colleges to do crazy things, people thought bama was crazy to throw the kind of money they threw at Saban. It is just a coincidence that they hired him in 2006 after auburn and Turbeville had won or had a share of the SEC West from 2001 to 2005, played for the SEC title 2 of the 5 years and won it in 2004.
I disagree and do not think it is all a coincidence that bama and auburn have shared much of their success during the same era or just after the other had success as well as fsu and florida.
The idea of playing in the fsu-florida rivalry in the mid to late 90's was a huge selling point, after they played in the national title the wide right was as big as any thing in sports, the hype itself sold recruits, the media couldn't give them enough air time as ESPN loved them both and sold the rivalry game as they do bama and auburn.

FWIW bama had success long before Saban arrived, you ever heard of Paul "Bear" Bryant? This forum is concerning the 2018 recruiting and I apologize but I believe the natty will not hurt recruiting as most kids have a good idea of the school they are going to attend and being part of this rivalry for the next decade is going to be fun! That is me trying to put a positive spin on it.

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Good point about rivalries actually fueling recruiting. We had our best year in 1984, just three years after Clemson's natty. And I don't think it is a coincidence that Clemson wins their first natty (the one in 1981 was bought, not won) three years after the five-peat. If trends continue, we will have a killer team in 2019 - if not before.

Another thing - Clemson's success could help them with in-state recruiting, but they have also shown a tendency - almost a preference - for out-of-state players. With the natty opening more doors, that will be even more true. With the in-state recruiting trending up, it could result in a talent windfall for us that will elevate our program to new heights. Using in-state kids that will be motivated to kick Clemson's ass for not going after them harder.

If we had won an Eastern division title or two during the three year stretch of 11 wins seasons, maybe even an SEC title, I don't think we fall off like we have the last three years. We are trending back up with a younger coach, so many we can do a better job of maintaining success this time.
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Muschamp should be able to sell these instate kids on the potential to win big here. Most kids lean one way or another from birth with the rivalry.
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Time to re-open the Robert Cooper thread, hearing is no longer an FSU commit and if I were a betting man he will be in the Garnet and Black in the not too distant future.
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Time to re-open the Robert Cooper thread, hearing is no longer an FSU commit and if I were a betting man he will be in the Garnet and Black in the not too distant future.
A defensive class with Cooper, Thomas, Belk, Sandidge and Hollifield is the kind of class that closes the gap considerably. What a haul that would be.
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I haven't got to keep up with Cooper's recruitment that much.. what makes you believe he will be committed to SC near future? Have the Coaches been recruiting him heavily?
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I haven't got to keep up with Cooper's recruitment that much.. what makes you believe he will be committed to SC near future? Have the Coaches been recruiting him heavily?
We were tied with FSU at the top and prior to committing to FSU he called USC his dream school in an interview.
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Update, he hasn't decommitted yet but appears to be close to doing so.
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Sweet!!! Man I hope we land him.. do you know who is recruiting him on our staff?
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Sweet!!! Man I hope we land him.. do you know who is recruiting him on our staff?
Per 247 Coleman Hutzler is the primary guy on him. The way we've recruited with top prospects the position coach (Thompson), DC (TRob), and HC (Muschamp) are also probably involved as well. So basically the entire defensive staff in all likelihood.
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Per 247 Coleman Hutzler is the primary guy on him. The way we've recruited with top prospects the position coach (Thompson), DC (TRob), and HC (Muschamp) are also probably involved as well. So basically the entire defensive staff in all likelihood.
Thanks would love to land him.
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Originally he had said Carolina was his dream school, or something like that....so when he committed to FSU, it was very surprising. This guy is 6'3" 350 and a solid 4* player. He would be a great get for us. Then add the other 2018 DL that we are in good shape with, and our DL will get well in a hurry.
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Not seeing anything that hints at his decommitment?
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