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Old 02-17-2017, 12:37 PM   #21
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can you really even consider even duke a D-1 football team?
They're a Power 5 football team so absolutely.
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Recruiting services rate him as a 3* currently. That's not terrible. Wouldn't it make sense that with our bigger recruiting staff we're getting in with kids early, especially kids in SC?

Muschamp has an offensive staff that I'm sure has a role in evaluating talent. In 2016 we got Edwards and Dowdle who contributed right away.

We doubled our win total from the prior year. Not many teams increased their win total by 3 games in 2016 vs 2015.
I could care less about "stars." The issue I have is, he has no real football offers. Dowdle and Edwards did have offers from several Power 5 schools.
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I could care less about "stars." The issue I have is, he has no real football offers. Dowdle and Edwards did have offers from several Power 5 schools.
So we should wait to offer kids until other schools have offered?

I dunno man, that seems kind of.....stupid.
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So we should wait to offer kids until other schools have offered?

I dunno man, that seems kind of.....stupid.
nope, but usually kids are evaluated pretty fast now. He may receive a few more offers as other schools lose out on recruits higher on their board. But hey every once in awhile you hit on a gem who just clicks in College. Maybe this kid is one of those players like Deebo, but the odds are not in favor of this.
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nope, but usually kids are evaluated pretty fast now. He may receive a few more offers as other schools lose out on recruits higher on their board. But hey every once in awhile you hit on a gem who just clicks in College. Maybe this kid is one of those players like Deebo, but the odds are not in favor of this.
Deebo was much more highly regarded than Dennis throughout the state.

Deebo is not who he compares to if you are looking at current players. He compares more to Chavis Dawkins as far as his recruitment/talent thus far. By that I mean he is the best WR on a powerful upstate team that has potential to be a solid D1 receiver, but most won't count on him to be a stud as a freshman/sophomore.

Hopefully Dennis will play with a chip on his shoulder this year and land himself some more D1 offers to prove the naysayers wrong.
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nope, but usually kids are evaluated pretty fast now. He may receive a few more offers as other schools lose out on recruits higher on their board. But hey every once in awhile you hit on a gem who just clicks in College. Maybe this kid is one of those players like Deebo, but the odds are not in favor of this.
I can think of another WR from Gaffney who had three stars who worked out pretty well for the Gamecocks
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I doubt he's a take, similar to Cameron Bent last year. In state kid who got early offer but was never a committable one. We certainly have higher wr's on the board.
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I doubt he's a take, similar to Cameron Bent last year. In state kid who got early offer but was never a committable one. We certainly have higher wr's on the board.
That's the thing some people on here think when USC offers a prospect that they are going to be the player to go to USC. Look at the offers from USC in 2018, no way USC will take all of those WR's, but I guarantee you that they see something in Smith, and waiting to see how his senior season goes. Deebo was the same way, the only difference USC didn't offer until he was a 3/4* by most sites. Vandy was on Deebo from day 1. This staff already said its going to take the lead when offering, and recruiting sites will follow, and so far they have mostly been correct.
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nope, but usually kids are evaluated pretty fast now. He may receive a few more offers as other schools lose out on recruits higher on their board. But hey every once in awhile you hit on a gem who just clicks in College. Maybe this kid is one of those players like Deebo, but the odds are not in favor of this.
Something I noticed this past recruiting cycle was this. Champ would offer a kid, and within a week or 2 he would get three or four more SEC offers.

I saw it on many of the guys we were pursuing. UT UGA and even Alabama did it on a couple of recruits.

Champ said something along these lines as well. I don't recall the exact quote, but it was something like "The recruiting ranking people follow us not the other way around". I also noticed that as a trend. Players would commit and all the sudden would gain a star (or maybe a few points making them a higher 3 star low 4 star) after words.

No I am not implying that they get stars for committing, but I am saying that the players get looked at by recruiting services when they wouldn't have normally. It almost equalizes the playing field for those that go to all the events and those that don't as far as exposure is concerned.


So in the end, what I am trying to say is this. If Champ offers a player that doesn't have many offers. I am okay with that. There is a good chance that these kids will get a second look and find themselves with a few more, especially schools like UF, UK, UT, and possibly UGA depending on location of kid(example Devonte Wyatt).
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That's the thing some people on here think when USC offers a prospect that they are going to be the player to go to USC. Look at the offers from USC in 2018, no way USC will take all of those WR's, but I guarantee you that they see something in Smith, and waiting to see how his senior season goes. Deebo was the same way, the only difference USC didn't offer until he was a 3/4* by most sites. Vandy was on Deebo from day 1. This staff already said its going to take the lead when offering, and recruiting sites will follow, and so far they have mostly been correct.
You may be right, but I just don't see the talent that Deebo had shown even in his junior year. His film isn't eye popping compared to a lot of other wr's I've seen us offer.
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You may be right, but I just don't see the talent that Deebo had shown even in his junior year. His film isn't eye popping compared to a lot of other wr's I've seen us offer.
That's the deal if he does blow up, USC has the offer out, and hopefully will be his school of choice. I saw some great catches, if he can do those more regularly he'll be a great WR.
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can you really even consider even duke a D-1 football team?
Have you seen them since Cutcliffe took over.
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Have you seen them since Cutcliffe took over.
yea, they were 4-8 last year 1-7 in the ACC
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yea, they were 4-8 last year 1-7 in the ACC
And the years prior to that 10-4, 9-4, and 8-5 with an appearance in the ACC Title Game.
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And the years prior to that 10-4, 9-4, and 8-5 with an appearance in the ACC Title Game.
and we were 11-2 in 2011, 12, and 13. Now we are a sub .500 team. Whats your point?
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and we were 11-2 in 2011, 12, and 13. Now we are a sub .500 team. Whats your point?
That for someone to say that Duke barely counts as a D1 team they have to be extremely ignorant or stupid. They've played for their conference title somewhat recently in a Power 5 league so Cutcliffe's time there has been a huge success.
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That for someone to say that Duke barely counts as a D1 team they have to be extremely ignorant or stupid. They've played for their conference title somewhat recently in a Power 5 league so Cutcliffe's time there has been a huge success.
There's no use trying to convince this guy. He won't be happy until we somehow magically become a team that lands every 5 star player we go after.
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That for someone to say that Duke barely counts as a D1 team they have to be extremely ignorant or stupid. They've played for their conference title somewhat recently in a Power 5 league so Cutcliffe's time there has been a huge success.
yes, He had a successful few years, and now is back as the doormat of the ACC. Success!
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yes, He had a successful few years, and now is back as the doormat of the ACC. Success!
By back to doormat you mean they had 1 down year. If it's an extended period of time then yeah you're right they're back to doormat but 1 year isn't close to enough time to say that.

Edit: They also played the entire season with their backup QB because their starting QB ruptured his Achilles in late August.
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