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Old 11-12-2017, 01:45 PM   #21
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It's too new of a team to have expectations as high as last year's squad, but considering our performance thus far and our perceived chemistry, I think we're barely a top 5 SEC team.
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Yes, making the NIT this year would be remarkable. It would mean that the players underachieved and Frank Martin followed up his best coaching job with his worst.

We will be much improved inside, a better shooting team, more athletic, deeper and more talented overall.

Martin largely offset the loss of three Senior leaders by bringing in three transfers - two RS Seniors and a RS Junior. Two were the stars of their teams, the 3rd was the top reserve on a Sweet Sixteen team.

We were a #7 seed so we did not "barely" make the NCAA, it would be more accurate to say that we should have made the tournament the year before. We will have some growing pains as Frank works out the rotations and teaches his D system, but we will be very dangerous by the end of the season.

And I think the NCAA knows better to screw us over again by leaving us out - we showed them the error of their ways last year.
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Hope we are going to be good, but waaaaay to early to tell just what we have
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I think Felder is on his way back too. We could use him.
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It's too new of a team to have expectations as high as last year's squad, but considering our performance thus far and our perceived chemistry, I think we're barely a top 5 SEC team.
I think if you look back to last season we were worried about losing Carrera, Minda and Laimonas.
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Yes, making the NIT this year would be remarkable. It would mean that the players underachieved and Frank Martin followed up his best coaching job with his worst.

We will be much improved inside, a better shooting team, more athletic, deeper and more talented overall.

Martin largely offset the loss of three Senior leaders by bringing in three transfers - two RS Seniors and a RS Junior. Two were the stars of their teams, the 3rd was the top reserve on a Sweet Sixteen team.

We were a #7 seed so we did not "barely" make the NCAA, it would be more accurate to say that we should have made the tournament the year before. We will have some growing pains as Frank works out the rotations and teaches his D system, but we will be very dangerous by the end of the season.

And I think the NCAA knows better to screw us over again by leaving us out - we showed them the error of their ways last year.
This is not true at all. Just like people were overreacting to the VT exhibition game people are overreacting to the Wofford game. You bring up the transfers, some work out far better than others all you have to do is go around college basketball to know that isn't close to a 100% hit rate. I do think this team is more athletic and better at shooting, it is yet to be proven if this team can approach the caliber of defense last year's team displayed. There is also the clutch gene, who is going to take the last second shot? Who is going to make the plays in the final minutes? We knew that last year, we don't this year. Can Silva stay out of foul trouble? It hurt last year when was in constant foul trouble, it will hurt worse this year since he will be relied upon as our top player so has he improved dramatically when it comes to fouls? There are plenty of questions with this team and I'm sure not all questions will be answered in a positive manner. This team could very easily miss the NCAA Tournament, it could also make another deep run, it just depends how the questions are answered. It certainly would not be a bad coaching job by Frank if we just made the NIT because it's impossible to say how all these new pieces will gel.
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This team is more talented, bigger, and deeper than last year's team. Frank says this team is faster and shoots better than last year's team. Last year, we only had two bigs that could really be relied on (Kotsar, Silva). That's why Thornwell had to play PF so much last year. This year, Kotsar and Silva are better, and we have Haase, who is young, but has skills. He is better than any of the bigs we could bring off the bench last year. All of our bigs are still developing, and I expect them all to improve as the season proceeds.

All things considered, I think this team has the potential to be better than last year's team. That does not mean they are going to the Final Four again. The SEC is better than last year, so winning SEC games will be harder. But if USC reaches its potential, I expect they will finish in the top half of the SEC.
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I think Felder is on his way back too. We could use him.
Anything concrete on this? Or is this just this just the speculation that he could be back theoretically by league play?
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This team is more talented, bigger, and deeper than last year's team. Frank says this team is faster and shoots better than last year's team. Last year, we only had two bigs that could really be relied on (Kotsar, Silva). That's why Thornwell had to play PF so much last year. This year, Kotsar and Silva are better, and we have Haase, who is young, but has skills. He is better than any of the bigs we could bring off the bench last year. All of our bigs are still developing, and I expect them all to improve as the season proceeds.

All things considered, I think this team has the potential to be better than last year's team. That does not mean they are going to the Final Four again. The SEC is better than last year, so winning SEC games will be harder. But if USC reaches its potential, I expect they will finish in the top half of the SEC.
Exactly. Silva does not have to worry about foul trouble, just like no one worried his Freshman year when we had three Seniors on the front line. He actually cut back on fouls last year, but we had no depth behind him. Now, Kotsar is improved, Haase looks legit, Doumbia and Minaya can help inside, and we have two 7 footers, just for grins and giggles.

We do not need to go with a three Guard line-up all the time now, thanks to the added front court players. We have Gravatt, Beatty, and (Second Semester, be willing to bet) Felder to play Guard. So we do not need to hit on all three transfers - just one solid contributor and two back-ups for depth, and we will be fine.

More athletic, deeper, better shooting, much stronger inside - just give Frank some time, he has plenty of talent for another run.
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This team is more talented, bigger, and deeper than last year's team. Frank says this team is faster and shoots better than last year's team. Last year, we only had two bigs that could really be relied on (Kotsar, Silva). That's why Thornwell had to play PF so much last year. This year, Kotsar and Silva are better, and we have Haase, who is young, but has skills. He is better than any of the bigs we could bring off the bench last year. All of our bigs are still developing, and I expect them all to improve as the season proceeds.

All things considered, I think this team has the potential to be better than last year's team. That does not mean they are going to the Final Four again. The SEC is better than last year, so winning SEC games will be harder. But if USC reaches its potential, I expect they will finish in the top half of the SEC.
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Exactly. Silva does not have to worry about foul trouble, just like no one worried his Freshman year when we had three Seniors on the front line. He actually cut back on fouls last year, but we had no depth behind him. Now, Kotsar is improved, Haase looks legit, Doumbia and Minaya can help inside, and we have two 7 footers, just for grins and giggles.

We do not need to go with a three Guard line-up all the time now, thanks to the added front court players. We have Gravatt, Beatty, and (Second Semester, be willing to bet) Felder to play Guard. So we do not need to hit on all three transfers - just one solid contributor and two back-ups for depth, and we will be fine.

More athletic, deeper, better shooting, much stronger inside - just give Frank some time, he has plenty of talent for another run.
Both right on the money.
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Looks like we are going to be a much better passing team. Not only are we making good passes but our passes are much quicker. We moved the ball better in the Wofford game than I can recall in a long time. Really liked the play of newcomers Booker and Haase. I think we have very good quality depth.
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Old 11-13-2017, 06:48 PM   #32
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We know very little about this team. It's early in the season and what you consider tendencies may be happenstance.

Enjoy the ride and the gradual accumulation of knowledge garnered from watching the team gel, hopefully in devastating fashion.
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Just to keep everyone grounded - remember, we lost a Hurricane fundraiser exhibition game to Virginia Tech.

Otherwise, it was a nice team performance tonight to move to 2-0.
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Just to keep everyone grounded - remember, we lost a Hurricane fundraiser exhibition game to Virginia Tech.

Otherwise, it was a nice team performance tonight to move to 2-0.
Which was an exhibition game where we used a lot of younger players to give them looks.

And Va Tech is a strong team.
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People Va Tech was an exhibition game. You cannot take things seriously when Frank is giving in-game interview at the press table while basketball action is taking place. The last two games were solid against teams that usually play in the tournament. The team is still learning each other. Wow Kentucky beat Mercer by 4 or 10 pts. Guess Big Blue fans should be jumping off the bridge. It is a long season folks. Take each game in Stride.
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Here is the question that I had after watching last night. Who will lead us in scoring? Who will be 2nd? 3rd?

That is not a "where will the points come from" question - it is a "we have so many different options, who will get the needed PT and hit their shots" question.

Holden is off to a slow start because of the knee and also (I think) Frank knows what he has there, and wants to see the new guys. But it could be him, Silva, Kotsar (I like his added muscle and aggressiveness, not sure about the threes and FTs), Gravett (he was stroking last night, but don't see him shooting that well on a regular basis), Booker (same comment as Gravett), Minaya (he starts and can play inside or out, his threes were just not dropping last night).

I could also see a night where Haase, Beatty and Myers could lead the team in scoring. Pretty much anybody outside of the 7 footers and Doumbia - but in fairness to Doumbia, he came in late and has not gotten much PT yet. He could come on later in the year - he has talent, athletic ability and is supposed to have a nice stroke.

And then it could be Rah if/when he makes it back. Rah would actually be my top pick if he comes back in shape - the young man is instant offense.
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I dont know the %s but to me, last season clutch free throws were a major key to our success. We need to make free throws.
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The Erskine and VATECH games never received a mention on the SEC Sports website, so I don't think that many people outside of our own fan base know or care about them .

Frank has said that this is the fastest and best-shooting team he's ever had and I think our paradigm for winning is going to change this season.

Having watched his previous teams at the start of the last couple of seasons, I will say this one has the potential to be a consistent Top-15 nationally-ranked team this season as the season plays out.
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And Va Tech is a strong team.
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People Va Tech was an exhibition game. You cannot take things seriously when Frank is giving in-game interview at the press table while basketball action is taking place. The last two games were solid against teams that usually play in the tournament. The team is still learning each other. Wow Kentucky beat Mercer by 4 or 10 pts. Guess Big Blue fans should be jumping off the bridge. It is a long season folks. Take each game in Stride.
Seriously? You guys are cracking me up.



See post #44 on this thread for more info: http://cockytalk.com/showthread.php?t=234698&page=3
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Seriously? You guys are cracking me up.



See post #44 on this thread for more info: http://cockytalk.com/showthread.php?t=234698&page=3
Sorry, Geo, I get a little testy sometimes. I missed that you were one of the true believers.

I think it is funny that we were picked #7 and #8 the two previous years, and came in #3 both times, plus the Final Four run last year. So what do they do? Drop us to #11 this year. SMDH.

I keep getting flashbacks to that classic film, "Bring it On". One of the head cheerleaders says, "Bring it on!". To which the opposing head cheerleader responds "It has already been brought!"

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