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Old 05-17-2018, 11:43 AM   #141
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There's the answer. The NCAA is bound to do anything or anyone's timeline, which I think should be addressed. On questions of eligibility, it should be an expectation that a ruling is made in 15 days. This isn't a court of law, no one will go to prison if something is missed. If you can't clearly find evidence in two weeks that a kid took money or whatever, then you either aren't good enough or there's nothing there. Neither of which is a reason to punish the kid.

All that said, the easiest thing to do is nothing which the NCAA will. Bowen will be forced to go to the draft or sit on his hands another year and become more forgotten. 3 months later, if anyone asks, then they'll rule him eligible.
You nailed it on the head, if there is undeniable proof that Bowen is a problem he will be dealt with at that time. It's like a bond from a trial, you do have restrictions, but you get to live your life, until the court case is due. I don't get why the NCAA would look like a POS later. It's they did an investigation and couldn't find anything, or if they do then say he's ineligible from BBall forever. I actually think the one that is worse is Winston and the rape case at FSU, and he still got to play, so dealing with money=more important than a person getting raped to the NCAA. Goes to show how much more of a POS they are.
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Old 05-17-2018, 11:56 AM   #142
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You nailed it on the head, if there is undeniable proof that Bowen is a problem he will be dealt with at that time. It's like a bond from a trial, you do have restrictions, but you get to live your life, until the court case is due. I don't get why the NCAA would look like a POS later. It's they did an investigation and couldn't find anything, or if they do then say he's ineligible from BBall forever. I actually think the one that is worse is Winston and the rape case at FSU, and he still got to play, so dealing with money=more important than a person getting raped to the NCAA. Goes to show how much more of a POS they are.
I'm all for expediting this, but I don't think it will happen. I just think the NCAA feels that their hands are tied by the criminal investigation. If they cleared him to play and the FBI later found evidence of criminal conduct it raises an evidence issue in a subsequent legal action - either against him directly or people associated with him.

We are going to have to get used to the idea that Bowen will never play for SC.
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NCAA = UNC + Duke They do not want him to play here.
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I'm all for expediting this, but I don't think it will happen. I just think the NCAA feels that their hands are tied by the criminal investigation. If they cleared him to play and the FBI later found evidence of criminal conduct it raises an evidence issue in a subsequent legal action - either against him directly or people associated with him.

We are going to have to get used to the idea that Bowen will never play for SC.
That's why I mention bail, keep him tapped, and let him do his thing. If he is found guilty he goes to jail, if he's found innocent no harm no foul. I don't see where the NCAA looks bad, do your investigation if you feel he shouldn't play then come out and say he will not play until investigation is over. As I stated these are allegations like the Winston rape case, yet he got to play. Winston should've been on the sideline until the rape case had him found guilty or not guilty.

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More this drags out the more I agree, they let UNC get away with murder. Also guarantee if he transferred to one of those schools he would already be in uniform ready to start this year.

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I'm all for expediting this, but I don't think it will happen. I just think the NCAA feels that their hands are tied by the criminal investigation. If they cleared him to play and the FBI later found evidence of criminal conduct it raises an evidence issue in a subsequent legal action - either against him directly or people associated with him.

We are going to have to get used to the idea that Bowen will never play for SC.
Concerns about the FBI finding more on him or finding criminal behavior is one concern you can probably put behind you.

The FBI specifically indicated that it has completed its investigation of Bowen's situation and that it was ok for the NCAA and (at the time Louisville) to begin their own process.

It's not illegal to get paid to play basketball or attend a particularly school as far as I know. So he was never in criminal jeopardy.

His eligibility is another issue entirely of course.
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With the May 30 deadline, can USC do anything between now and then to speed up the NCAA's ruling on Bowen?

"No, there really isn't," Tanner said. "They've got to do their work and we're on their timeline. So hopefully we'll have the information that will work."
His laywer’s tweet put more pressure on them and also put them on notice that they are not giving Bowen due process in the matter. This is a lawsuit waiting to happen if they don’t decide before May 30.
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Old 05-17-2018, 02:18 PM   #147
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Even if he doesn’t come here it’s great he’s considering suing the POS at the NCAA. If the kid did nothing wrong let him play!
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Old 05-17-2018, 02:38 PM   #148
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NCAA = UNC + Duke They do not want him to play here.
Did you notice this quote by Frank Martin?

“The reason I’m very optimistic is everyone else that was under the whole dark cloud [FBI investigation] has been cleared to play moving forward,” Martin said in the radio appearance via The State’s Andrew Ramspacher. “They either got cleared to play this year. Or they’ve been cleared to play next year. Every one.” (my emphasis)
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Concerns about the FBI finding more on him or finding criminal behavior is one concern you can probably put behind you.

The FBI specifically indicated that it has completed its investigation of Bowen's situation and that it was ok for the NCAA and (at the time Louisville) to begin their own process.

It's not illegal to get paid to play basketball or attend a particularly school as far as I know. So he was never in criminal jeopardy.

His eligibility is another issue entirely of course.
I had not seen that in print anywhere. But the quote by Frank Martin above certainly puts this in a different light.
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His laywer’s tweet put more pressure on them and also put them on notice that they are not giving Bowen due process in the matter. This is a lawsuit waiting to happen if they don’t decide before May 30.
I agree that a lawsuit is likely if the NCAA does not make a decision by the deadline. Whether that motivates the NCAA, we'll have to see.
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For those interested, the 2018 Combine is on ESPN2 today from 3 to 7 pm.

Also, Bowen's lawyer is asking for retweets, up to 750 now.
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Old 05-17-2018, 03:04 PM   #152
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I agree that a lawsuit is likely if the NCAA does not make a decision by the deadline. Whether that motivates the NCAA, we'll have to see.
He should be able to sue them as they could damage his whole future by standing pat.
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Old 05-17-2018, 04:06 PM   #153
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It would be a mistake for the NCAA to clear him before the trial is finished.

It wouldn't be wise to clear him only to have something unexpected pop-up in the trial that would force them to backtrack on his eligibility.
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It would be a mistake for the NCAA to clear him before the trial is finished.

It wouldn't be wise to clear him only to have something unexpected pop-up in the trial that would force them to backtrack on his eligibility.
What trial? Bowen hasn't been charged with breaking any law.
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Old 05-17-2018, 04:15 PM   #155
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It would be a mistake for the NCAA to clear him before the trial is finished.

It wouldn't be wise to clear him only to have something unexpected pop-up in the trial that would force them to backtrack on his eligibility.
It's the same as any job, if they can't find anything to warrant him not to play, then put him on bail, let him play but keep an eye on him. If he ends up guilty then he's gone anyway and he won't play. I guess my logic doesn't make sense in today's world. It's all omg guilty until proven innocent. Law dictates Innocent until proven guilty, and in today's world that doesn't seem to be the case.

Once you go to jail even if you're innocent your reputation is tarnished, it's why I don't agree with our news putting out people with allegations. If a person was guilty then release the statement they are guilty. Keep it shut until then. I know people who have had their rep tarnished and were innocent, but it's too late. They lose their job sometimes, and have issues finding another. The employer needs to review the case, if they think the person could've done it, then let them go, if not keep em on a short leash.
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Old 05-17-2018, 05:07 PM   #156
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I'm confused. Didn't the FBI clear Bowen? There's no trial. It's literally just the NCAA dragging their feet because why not?
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It's laughable that people think a) that the NCAA is being pressured by an attorney making these claims and b) that anything would come out of a frivolous lawsuit if his attorney does decide to sue afterwards.

Honestly, if the NCAA feels pressured, it's likely not a good thing as it would be much easier to rule him ineligible right now than to rule him eligible.
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If our future with Bowen hinges on his lawyer's desperate tweet to the NCAA then I don't feel good about this one fellas.
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I'm confused. Didn't the FBI clear Bowen? There's no trial. It's literally just the NCAA dragging their feet because why not?
I can't speak for the poster but I assume he means a trial of someone else who may have been involved in the Bowen situation (a runner, assistant coach, etc.); i.e., facts could come to light in the taking of evidence in someone's criminal trial relevant to Bowen's eligibility even though Bowen himself isn't accused of any wrongdoing.

I'm not sure how likely that is, though. Parties who actually did what they're accused of more often than not will enter plea deals to avoid harsher penalties unless there are serious flaws in the prosecution's case. If someone is offered community service and restitution for a plea as opposed to prison time if tried and convicted, it's usually an easy choice to make. Of course, I don't practice criminal law so I may be way off-base.

And I concur with previous posters... not likely the NCAA is going to capitulate to Twitter threats of a lawsuit.

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