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Old 06-13-2018, 04:33 PM   #901
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No I was referring to the transfer rule. Not on Belk specifically!!
Athletes will be able to transfer without having to sit but the new rule doesn’t go into effect until October. Not sure of all the details.


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To me, this is not a huge deal, as I expect that Belk will need a Freshmen year to mature into a College lineman. I do not expect that he can give us a heavy lift this year, but the next year he should be ready and we will need his talents and contributions more.
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If anything, the new transfer rule allows Belk to make a solid argument to the NCAA that he should be eligible to this year. If a rule is good enough to implement next year why shouldn't it apply to the few student athletes it impacts THIS year (particularly if they graduated early and only went through spring practice with their old team)?
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If anything, the new transfer rule allows Belk to make a solid argument to the NCAA that he should be eligible to this year. If a rule is good enough to implement next year why shouldn't it apply to the few student athletes it impacts THIS year (particularly if they graduated early and only went through spring practice with their old team)?
Because undergrads still have to sit a year when transferring
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Default Re: 2018 Commitment - Josh Belk

Anyway, glad the big guy is a Gamecock! Kind of cool of he is a RS Freshman with TWO YEARS of power 5 strength and conditioning...not sure many if any can say that.
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Anyway, glad the big guy is a Gamecock! Kind of cool of he is a RS Freshman with TWO YEARS of power 5 strength and conditioning...not sure many if any can say that.
Two years?? Last year he was in high school. This year he early-enrolled to Clemson, and participated in their spring camp, then transferred to USC. I expect him to sit out this coming year of CFB, then be eligible for next season.

That's just 1 redshirt year spread over two programs, unless he also has to sit out 2019 too?? Is the NCAA going to Brian Bowen Belk too???
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Two years?? Last year he was in high school. This year he early-enrolled to Clemson, and participated in their spring camp, then transferred to USC. I expect him to sit out this coming year of CFB, then be eligible for next season.

That's just 1 redshirt year spread over two programs, unless he also has to sit out 2019 too?? Is the NCAA going to Brian Bowen Belk too???
I think he was talking about 2 years of lifting. Spring/Summer of 2018, plus Fall/Spring of 2018/2019.
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Old 06-14-2018, 10:45 AM   #907
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I asked on the locker room thread, but does the new rule allowing a RS player to play 4 games apply in this case?

Seems like it would be an ideal situation for him.

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I asked on the locker room thread, but does the new rule allowing a RS player to play 4 games apply in this case?

Seems like it would be an ideal situation for him.

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Nothing in the NCAA's description of the rule change indicates that the transfer rule is affected by it, so I highly doubt it.
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Old 06-14-2018, 10:55 AM   #909
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Nothing in the NCAA's description of the rule change indicates that the transfer rule is affected by it, so I highly doubt it.
So it counts as a red shirt but the new red shirt rules do not apply if the red shirt is a result of a transfer?

That seems to be unfair, but then again it's the NCAA, and fair is not in their vocabulary.

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I think he was talking about 2 years of lifting. Spring/Summer of 2018, plus Fall/Spring of 2018/2019.
Yep, he's been in the S&C program at Clemson since January 2018.
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So it counts as a red shirt but the new red shirt rules do not apply if the red shirt is a result of a transfer?

That seems to be unfair, but then again it's the NCAA, and fair is not in their vocabulary.

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Yeah, I guess in this case. I will say, Belk's is a fairly odd case, so I wouldn't judge the NCAA too harshly based on that (they still suck, though). I don't know of too many freshman who transfer after spring ball. Belk's is just kind of a weird situation that falls in a gray area.

Maybe we can appeal to the NCAA based on this new rule change to have him be eligible to play in 4 games this season.
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Yeah, I guess in this case. I will say, Belk's is a fairly odd case, so I wouldn't judge the NCAA too harshly based on that (they still suck, though). I don't know of too many freshman who transfer after spring ball. Belk's is just kind of a weird situation that falls in a gray area.

Maybe we can appeal to the NCAA based on this new rule change to have him be eligible to play in 4 games this season.
Yeah, worth a shot at appealing, 4 games is better than none.

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I think it seems fairly reasonable. We won't be shooting for the moon and asking for the whole season. Maybe a conservative request combined with any family issues that caused Belk to want to be close to home would be enough to get the 4 games. I'm sure from the NCAA's perspective, though, they'd be afraid of setting a precedent. So most likely would be a "no" anyway.
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Patience is a virtue. Belk is a top player, but not necessarily ready to play at this level this coming season. We may seem thin at DT this year, but we have some really good talent lined up. Likely Kinlaw and Smith will be mixed-in with Kier Thomas, Webb, and T Johnson giving a 5 DT rotation that may also expand to include Blacksheer inside at times and Ingabare. We may find Sandidge ready to play sometime during the season as well. We would all like for Belk to be eligible this season, but he would be a good plug-in as well in a year where we will likely lose Kinlaw, Wonnum, and possibly Kier Thomas as early draftees.
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Patience is a virtue. Belk is a top player, but not necessarily ready to play at this level this coming season. We may seem thin at DT this year, but we have some really good talent lined up. Likely Kinlaw and Smith will be mixed-in with Kier Thomas, Webb, and T Johnson giving a 5 DT rotation that may also expand to include Blacksheer inside at times and Ingabare. We may find Sandidge ready to play sometime during the season as well. We would all like for Belk to be eligible this season, but he would be a good plug-in as well in a year where we will likely lose Kinlaw, Wonnum, and possibly Kier Thomas as early draftees.
The forum should fine you for omitting Jabari Ellis... Ellis is a beast that will get a lot of snaps...
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The forum should fine you for omitting Jabari Ellis... Ellis is a beast that will get a lot of snaps...
I think you are right ... except for the fine part.
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