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Old 12-05-2018, 04:43 PM   #1
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Default Killing The Shift?

It seems that some are starting to get onboard with the idea of dictating whether teams can or cannot use the "shift" in the field.


I have some mixed feelings about it tbh.


On one hand, the game, when it was initially created didn't dictate exact spots that players had to line up (outside of pitcher and catcher of course).


On the other hand, I do like seeing hitters have a better chance of getting a hit. I do, however, understand the point that a good hitter should be able to use the entire field.


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What does everyone think? Would this mess up the game or make it better if it ever came into play at the college level?
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Old 12-05-2018, 05:45 PM   #2
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I get a great deal of joy when a team employs the shift, only to have the batter go opposite field on them. Good hitters can beat the shift. Kyle Martin comes to mind. Teams would shift on him and he'd just unload one on them to Left.

I think the issue is that shifts have become more obvious these days, with 3B lining up at SS, and so forth. I'm sorry but that's ridiculous.
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Old 12-05-2018, 05:59 PM   #3
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I like seeing when our hitters beat the shift, but the % of them overall doing so is just so low.


Good offseason discussion, but I hate to see drastic rule changes.
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Old 12-05-2018, 07:27 PM   #4
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How can you dictate where people put their players in the field? Ludicrous.
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How can you dictate where people put their players in the field? Ludicrous.


Exactly. A team should be able to have all 9 players in the infield if they do choose.
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Old 12-05-2018, 07:55 PM   #6
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It seems that some are starting to get onboard with the idea of dictating whether teams can or cannot use the "shift" in the field.


I have some mixed feelings about it tbh.


On one hand, the game, when it was initially created didn't dictate exact spots that players had to line up (outside of pitcher and catcher of course).


On the other hand, I do like seeing hitters have a better chance of getting a hit. I do, however, understand the point that a good hitter should be able to use the entire field.


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What does everyone think? Would this mess up the game or make it better if it ever came into play at the college level?
I think leave the game alone! The rules of baseball donít need to change. The peanut heads that want to see change for the sake of change need thier shells cracked open.
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Old 12-05-2018, 08:00 PM   #7
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Default Re: Killing The Shift?

I think the shift is dumb against good hitters, but it sure seemed to work against ours a lot. But to make it work just like positioning your players in the field you have to have pitchers with control.
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Default Re: Killing The Shift?

Hitters, especially MLB hitters, want to swing for the fence resulting in huge swings and pulling the ball...or strikeouts. That makes it good strategy to use the shift. If hitters will drop their ego and learn to hit against the shift instead of hitting into it the shift will go away. Most hitters can't even lay down a bunt where half the infield is uncovered.
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Default Re: Killing The Shift?

The thing about the shift, is that it's not used against guys who can hit opposite field well. It's a data-driven alignment based on the hitter's history.

So, yeah, we would never see a shift against guys who hit opposite field well anyways. I'm not against the shift. If a hitter is a one-trick pony, then they deserve to be exposed.
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Old 12-06-2018, 11:19 AM   #11
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I get a great deal of joy when a team employs the shift, only to have the batter go opposite field on them. Good hitters can beat the shift. Kyle Martin comes to mind. Teams would shift on him and he'd just unload one on them to Left.

I think the issue is that shifts have become more obvious these days, with 3B lining up at SS, and so forth. I'm sorry but that's ridiculous.


Or just squirt a hard bunt by the bag at 3rd.
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Old 12-06-2018, 11:25 AM   #12
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Hate it when it works against us, love it when it works for us.
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Default Re: Killing The Shift?

It supposedly all about adding more offense to the game to make it more exciting. I don't agree with it at all. I say let team employ the strategies they want to use and leave the game alone. Everything is being geared toward the ADD society we have developed. Maybe we should keep some things that require people to stay focused.
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It supposedly all about adding more offense to the game to make it more exciting. I don't agree with it at all. I say let team employ the strategies they want to use and leave the game alone. Everything is being geared toward the ADD society we have developed. Maybe we should keep some things that require people to stay focused.


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Make all teams cookie cutter, don't let one team be too good, and eliminate the championship while you are at it! Might melt the snowflake! LOL
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As I say to people all the time...

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I saw this video last year. This is all I need to know about the shift. There's a reason the players are set up where they're set up.

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Maybe we just need better hitters in the game. All they care about now is launch angle and exit velocity from the hitters. Even with two strikes everyone is swinging for the long ball. Good things happen when you just put the ball in play.
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I saw this video last year. This is all I need to know about the shift. There's a reason the players are set up where they're set up.




Nice video.


I wouldn't expect the shift to work as well in MLB as it does in college though.


I would love to see some great data over a decade to give us an average for that.


Obviously it depends on the hitter, but USC has had some hitters so one trick pony that even against the overshift they couldn't even bunt the ball for a base hit when the entire 3rd base side was left open. That's just bad hitting.....


The player in the video in MLB that didn't run cover 3rd base after doing an overshift is just sad.
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Andrew Eyster (Gamecock commit) tweeted something that I thought was an interesting point....


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