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Old 12-06-2018, 11:30 AM   #141
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Last nights game will be the last one I watch until we get some staff changes. This is ridiculous.


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I wonder what Frank says to the team at the halfs of games, because they come out totally uninspired every time.
I'm going to guess it's a whole lot of screaming, personally belittling guys and child like pouting.
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I believe it is 12 million this year.
According to the old State article we owe him the amount left on his contract....that was changed from owing him 66% of the remaining amount on his contract.

If he's fired without cause after this year USC owes him $10.5 million. After next year it goes down to $7.95, then $5.35, then $2.7 it seems. His contract goes through 2022.

His buyout on the other hand is $1.5 million and will eventually go down to $500k towards the end of the contract.

Article here: https://www.thestate.com/sports/coll...e69446227.html

Seems like the admin got a little too excited over MBB catching lightening in a bottle during the FF run.
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Seems like the admin got a little too excited over MBB catching lightening in a bottle during the FF run.
They had to because UNLV came knocking. Frank was very close to taking that job from what I understand. It would've been a big black eye if we didn't attempt to keep him after the F4 run.
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Old 12-06-2018, 11:43 AM   #146
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Hope the guys had fun seeing all the sights in Wyoming.....

We do way too much stupid $hit to be a good team right now. Eliminate the mistakes and poor shot selection, play some defense, we might be competitive.
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They had to because UNLV came knocking. Frank was very close to taking that job from what I understand. It would've been a big black eye if we didn't attempt to keep him after the F4 run.


Everybody is close to taking a new job when theyíre negotiating a contract.
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Old 12-06-2018, 11:50 AM   #148
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This team is not only poorly coached, but more importantly it has been poorly constructed. Teams have figured out very quickly to play zone and make us beat them from the perimeter. Our guys canít shoot. None of them can shoot. This has been a repeating theme the past two years. In several games, against inferior opponents we are shooting in the 30%s from the floor and last night shot 15% (3/20) from 3. I have watched a lot of basketball in my day and this may be one of the worst teams we have ever put on the floor.
We don't do the fundamentals very well.

I know this sounds like I am making excuses, but part of the problem is the skill set and the high school coaching of the recruits we are bringing in. They don't know how to play defense and communicate with each other. They are used to being the stars and carrying their team. So the result is we get games like last night. With 5 minutes to go the lead was fluctuating between 4 - 8 points but instead of playing smart we would bring the ball down in a rush, not look for the open man and try to get into a man-to-man situation and make a spectacular play. At this level, even Wyoming has enough talent to beat that strategy. Lawson must have thrown up 5 desperation shots in the final few minutes of the game. Nobody else was willing to do anything to get open and nobody would pass the ball.

They expect to lose now.
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Old 12-06-2018, 11:54 AM   #149
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According to the old State article we owe him the amount left on his contract....that was changed from owing him 66% of the remaining amount on his contract.

If he's fired without cause after this year USC owes him $10.5 million. After next year it goes down to $7.95, then $5.35, then $2.7 it seems. His contract goes through 2022.

His buyout on the other hand is $1.5 million and will eventually go down to $500k towards the end of the contract.

Article here: https://www.thestate.com/sports/coll...e69446227.html

Seems like the admin got a little too excited over MBB catching lightening in a bottle during the FF run.
Thanks. So if SC decided to let him go this year they would owe him the balance on his contract of 10.5 + 1.5 million buyout?
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Old 12-06-2018, 01:39 PM   #150
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We are not letting Frank go after this year.

Just need to hope our younger guys improve as the season goes on and we have a good team next year.

I havent given up hope for this year but our upper class men are not leaders at all.
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Old 12-06-2018, 01:52 PM   #151
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Never liked the phrase "fired without cause." Generally, that is for no discernible reason to get rid of the guy, or so it has seemed.


How about, "We are firing you 'cause your team is not winning, playing poorly, not developing enough kids over the course of their careers, loss of fan interest and plummeting attendance?" Those are plenty of reasons to fire the coach without paying him an obscene amount of money as he leaves.


I know the legal mumbo jumbo written into contracts protect the coach when he is signed, but why can't it be simply, "You are doing a bad job. Sayonara?" I guess it is a matter of things are and how they ought to be.
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According to the old State article we owe him the amount left on his contract....that was changed from owing him 66% of the remaining amount on his contract.

If he's fired without cause after this year USC owes him $10.5 million. After next year it goes down to $7.95, then $5.35, then $2.7 it seems. His contract goes through 2022.

His buyout on the other hand is $1.5 million and will eventually go down to $500k towards the end of the contract.

Article here: https://www.thestate.com/sports/coll...e69446227.html

Seems like the admin got a little too excited over MBB catching lightening in a bottle during the FF run.


The admin and Cockytalk if I remember correctly.


I'm just going to throw this out there and see--We just had a former coach arrested for fraud directly related to recruiting. We all like to think Frank knew nothing or saw nothing. If I were Tanner, I'd have my own file on Frank (and for that matter all of my coaches) that when the time came to part ways, it'll be clear that I would have the upper hand in that negotiation.


As an AD, I'd prefer to leak info, take a year or two penalty and ride out the storm, and fire the coach but save millions to give the next guy a season or two latter than to pay the dude who I'm firing. What are they going to do? Ban my sub 0.300 win team from being considered for the NIT? Limit contact with recruits who don't want to some here anyway?
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Old 12-06-2018, 02:11 PM   #153
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There's no way Frank gets fired this season unless he blows up on someone or some scandal breaks out. But if this play continues this season then he will definitely be on the hot seat next year.
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Old 12-06-2018, 02:35 PM   #154
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I would not be opposed to Frank leaving and getting another coach. It would depend on who the new coach is. The problem is, changing coaches every few years has never worked well for USC basketball.

I might personally be better off if USC hired someone who I REALLY DISLIKED from the start. That might cause me to lose interest in USC basketball and do something that would be more beneficial for me.
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I would not be opposed to Frank leaving and getting another coach. It would depend on who the new coach is. The problem is, changing coaches every few years has never worked well for USC basketball.

I might personally be better off if USC hired someone who I REALLY DISLIKED from the start. That might cause me to lose interest in USC basketball and do something that would be more beneficial for me.


Isn't this year 7 or 8?
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Year 7 is not every "few years"

Then again you also think if we keep sucking we will finally start play well.
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Year 7 is not every "few years"

Then again you also think if we keep sucking we will finally start play well.
You want to replace Frank? Go ahead.
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You want to replace Frank? Go ahead.
If I had the power, he would have been fired last night. He has lost the team. The fan base has been split for years and it's starting to skew more and more toward wanting a change.

It's time for a new message.

Then again, maybe he is ready to bolt and he and Tanner are playing a game of chicken.
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If I had the power, he would have been fired last night. He has lost the team. The fan base has been split for years and it's starting to skew more and more toward wanting a change.

It's time for a new message.

Then again, maybe he is ready to bolt and he and Tanner are playing a game of chicken.
I donít disagree with you, but who would be a realistic option to replace Frank? What are we willing to pay?
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If I had the power, he would have been fired last night. He has lost the team. The fan base has been split for years and it's starting to skew more and more toward wanting a change.

It's time for a new message.

Then again, maybe he is ready to bolt and he and Tanner are playing a game of chicken.
If Frank wanted to leave, he would leave. But I know you would get a lot more satisfaction if he is fired.
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