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Old 12-06-2017, 11:31 AM   #1
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Default Question regarding new OC

Moving on from any discussion of our former OC.

Do we have the talent on offense to attract a high-caliber, external OC?

Some of our fans insist we do and usually back up their assertion by listing names. I think we have ok talent but very far from top-level, SEC talent. There were A LOT of plays there to be made this year that weren't made.

Just curious how any potential OC candidates would look at this job. Do we have the talent where they can step in and be immediately successful? If so, we should have a fairly easy time making a hire (provided we are willing to cough up the $). Will candidates view it as a rebuild where they have to stock up on talent? If so, that will likely limit our choices a bit.

Who do we have on offense that a potential OC would look at and say "I want to go there to work with THAT player."?
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Old 12-06-2017, 11:44 AM   #2
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And what is our budget?
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Old 12-06-2017, 11:49 AM   #3
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And what is our budget?
Yeah, I mention that as a caveat. It's a multi-faceted issue for sure. We may find it tough sledding, but maybe not. I'm not sure we have both the talent AND The budget to get a cream of the crop hire. Which means Champ will have to make a very smart hire.
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Old 12-06-2017, 11:52 AM   #4
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I imagine we will pay around what Roper was making ($750K?). Maybe more if the candidate is worth it.
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I imagine we will pay around what Roper was making ($750K?). Maybe more if the candidate is worth it.
That will certainly limit our options and send a signal we aren't ready to play big boy football. In my opinion.

That said, you can live like an absolute king in Columbia on that salary. And South Carolina ranks 42 in the country in total tax burden.
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I really think this job would be attractive to many OCs. We have a QB who has a lot of potential and will probably have two years. A lot of the talent on offense are freshman and sophmores so you know you can build your offense with guys who are going to be there a while. We have a good mix of size (Edwards, OrTre and Rico) and speed (Shi, AJ and Deebo).
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I'd like to see the department pay the new guy $1million+ (considering that we get a top OC)

We need to send a signal that we are ready to compete
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Yes. Bentley can spin it. Any fool can see that. Deebo is life. Edwards is Julio Jr. 18 is Megatron's big brother. Shi is Steve Smith's daddy. TEs for days. Might need to upgrade TB is Rico can't get back on track with super froshie season.
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I imagine we will pay around what Roper was making ($750K?). Maybe more if the candidate is worth it.
Carolina is going to have to open the pocket book if they want to compete with the big boys.The smartest thing Clemson did was spend the money to hire and retain top coordinators.Look where they are now.Its the cost of doing business these days.
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Carolina is going to have to open the pocket book if they want to compete with the big boys.The smartest thing Clemson did was spend the money to hire and retain top coordinators.Look where they are now.Its the cost of doing business these days.
I don't Jeff Scott or Tony Elliott are pulling $1M.
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I don't Jeff Scott or Tony Elliott are pulling $1M.
I think Scott pulls in $800k. I believe we should at least try to match that.

One thing that has worked in Dabo's favor is that he's shown a knack for evaluating coaching talent and has made home run hires. Jeff Scott was an internal promotion and their offense exploded. We promoted internally with Ward and that was a flop.
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Yes. Bentley can spin it. Any fool can see that. Deebo is life. Edwards is Julio Jr. 18 is Megatron's big brother. Shi is Steve Smith's daddy. TEs for days. Might need to upgrade TB is Rico can't get back on track with super froshie season.
I think we have some good skill position guys but damn you are hitting the moonshine hard this morning.
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I think we have the talent. I'm afraid some guys are going to shy away from working for Muschamp on the offensive side though.
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People are throwing around the $1mill figure...... Obviously we are just fans, but I don't want to throw $1mill at someone just so we can say we pay our OC $1mill. He must be WELL worth it. Now the question is, who out there is worth $1,000,000??
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Old 12-06-2017, 12:12 PM   #15
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Clemson's OC may not pull in the most, but Venables sure does. Our need is offense and we are going to have to pay for it imo.
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Troy Walters helped Scott Frost take UCF to #5 in the nation in total offense at over 540 ypg.

He's only making $350K if we want to go co-OC route again with he & McClendon. With Frost taking off for Nebraska, could be a good guy to consider.
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Clemson's OC may not pull in the most, but Venables sure does. Our need is offense and we are going to have to pay for it imo.
Good point. Clemson paid Venables b/c that was greatest need at the time. Offense is, by far, our greatest need. I think TRob's salary has to at least match the OC though. The D more or less did its job throughout the season, so paying an OC more money to come in and fix our offense would, in a sense, be penalizing TRob for not doing a bad job.
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And yes I believe we have the talent to be better than we currently are. We are young, but my one gripe was the inability to adapt to the talent of the players. If they don't know the routes change it up. Use more motion even if you're running some of the same plays. I dunno. I kind of feel bad for Roper because his system can work. It's just the in game play calling and lack of adjustments.
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Troy Walters helped Scott Frost take UCF to #5 in the nation in total offense at over 540 ypg.

He's only making $350K if we want to go co-OC route again with he & McClendon. With Frost taking off for Nebraska, could be a good guy to consider.
Walter's is auditioning for the HC job there at UCF.
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I don't Jeff Scott or Tony Elliott are pulling $1M.
Venables does and Chad Morris did.Clemson may have to pony up to keep Elliott on board.Scott they probably would let leave over money.

I think there is no doubt that having top notch coordinators propelled Clemson to where they are today.
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