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Old 05-15-2018, 10:17 AM   #21
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Not surprised. There can be value though in letting the first group work out the kinks and go through the initial trials and error that we can witness and avoid.
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Not surprised. There can be value though in letting the first group work out the kinks and go through the initial trials and error that we can witness and avoid.

Yeah, there will be a bunch who will jump in fast and screw it up.
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Old 05-16-2018, 01:14 PM   #23
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Yeah, there will be a bunch who will jump in fast and screw it up.
Not sure I agree. Why not just copy and paste Nevada's statutes and regs? That's the thing I don't understand about the reaction to this -- sports betting is not legal in America for the first time. It has always been legal in parts of America. MGM -- a publicly traded company on a U.S. stock exchange subject to oversight by the SEC, PCAOB, and audited by a major U.S. accounting firm -- has accepted literally hundreds of millions of bets over the years. This is not a new thing, and the need for experimentation should be fairly minimal. This isn't akin to the pot industry, where states really are striking out into uncharted territory.
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Old 05-16-2018, 03:03 PM   #24
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Interesting.

First, I understand the reasoning. The 10th amendment grants states the rights in areas not explicitly under federal control. It makes sense to me, then, that the federal government overreached in its initial rule.

However, does that make it right? I'm not sure. I think it's very telling that the organizations vehemently opposed to states getting the right to decide were all professional sports and the NCAA. Under guise, I'm sure, of the potential impact of organized crime and point shaving etc. That is completely a wash, though, since gambling never disappeared nationally. It's like saying that since heroin is illegal we have no drug crisis.

I do think there is a very real and concerning health issue with easier access to gambling. Again, those on the extremes probably never had too hard of time betting on sports, but it's the middle of the road gambler. The guy or girl who make minimum wage and drops 100 dollars per week on the lotto may now do so for sports much easier. Will that make things worse? Not sure, but I know from personal experience it's a lot more fun betting on sports than scratching off a pot-o-gold card.

And my final thought is that this is just the start. For whatever you think about Trump, his biggest accomplishment is stacking the courts. It hasn't reached the Supreme Court level, yet, but federal courts are being stacked with like-minded judges who will defer to states.
1. Sports leagues oppose legal gambling because they want to protect the integrity of the sport (see: UNLV and Pete Rose). Also, many believe the leagues "opposed" the sports gambling as a PR stunt. Now that the ruling has been made, leagues are wasting no time lobbying state legislatures and Congress for a percentage of gambling revenue (shocker).

2. It doesn't matter if it is right. The Constitution doesn't claim to protect people from themselves.

3. Expanding legal sports gambling is actually safer for the gambler. Gambling in shady markets can be dangerous. Additionally, odds making by shady bookies is almost always less advantageous (for the gambler) than a legal gambling operation since they deal in significantly less volume.

4. Packing the courts is definitely a success for any president, but the Supreme Court didn't actually need Gorsuch to reach this verdict.

5. While I agree that the 10th amendment grants powers to states that are not enumerated powers of the federal government, I find it interesting that some of the Supreme Court justices would even reference the 10th amendment considering some of the other things they have allowed the federal government to oversee that fall outside of those enumerated powers. Pretty hypocritical of some of them.
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5. While I agree that the 10th amendment grants powers to states that are not enumerated powers of the federal government, I find it interesting that some of the Supreme Court justices would even reference the 10th amendment considering some of the other things they have allowed the federal government to oversee that fall outside of those enumerated powers. Pretty hypocritical of some of them.
Did you actually read the opinion? It seemed like a pretty clear application of 10th Amendment precedent (New York, Printz) to me. And this case really has nothing to do with enumerated powers -- most of the justices, Thomas's dissent the exception, seemed to agree that the federal government can ban sports betting. But Congress didn't do that, it prohibited the states from authorizing sports betting -- arguably functionally the same thing as banning sports betting, but making the states actually do the dirty work of implementing the ban. Dictating to state legislatures what they must do is prohibited, even if Congress is requiring the states to do something that it could do directly.
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I've been gambling online for 15 years and have never had an issue. It will be nice to have a sports betting bar though.
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I find it a pretty long stretch to try to compare gambling to heroin abuse. Most people are able to gamble responsibly and not become "addicted" psychologically. Heroin addiction is biological and chemical. It's one of the most addictive substances known to mankind. You are statistically nearly guaranteed to become addicted after only a few uses. Something like that is way more dangerous warranting to some government intervention, than allowing people to take risks with their money which is basically done in every business decision made every single day.
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Did you actually read the opinion? It seemed like a pretty clear application of 10th Amendment precedent (New York, Printz) to me. And this case really has nothing to do with enumerated powers -- most of the justices, Thomas's dissent the exception, seemed to agree that the federal government can ban sports betting. But Congress didn't do that, it prohibited the states from authorizing sports betting -- arguably functionally the same thing as banning sports betting, but making the states actually do the dirty work of implementing the ban. Dictating to state legislatures what they must do is prohibited, even if Congress is requiring the states to do something that it could do directly.
Yeah, I’m just saying I find it funny that the Supreme Court recognizes the 10th Amendment all of a sudden due to some of the crap they’ve upheld in the past that the federal government has no business being involved in. I agree in this case the 10th Amendment was applied appropriately. I just wish it would be more often.
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