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Old 02-21-2017, 12:23 AM   #41
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Solomon Thomas, DL from Stanford. That's who I want Carolina to draft #8 overall. He's got great film, has above average speed, and seems like a very smart player.
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So I guess Victor Cruz visited with us. Not sure how I feel about him. He was good then got injured and never really did much else. I guess it's worth the gamble if we can get him on the cheap. Thoughts?
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So I guess Victor Cruz visited with us. Not sure how I feel about him. He was good then got injured and never really did much else. I guess it's worth the gamble if we can get him on the cheap. Thoughts?
Ginn is better and more versatile if we can keep him for cheap. Punt return will be a question mark if we lose Ginn.
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So I guess Victor Cruz visited with us. Not sure how I feel about him. He was good then got injured and never really did much else. I guess it's worth the gamble if we can get him on the cheap. Thoughts?
The state of our WR corps is questionable. Funchess hasn't done anything, KB was not much of a threat last year but I'll give him a pass since it was his first year back from ACL surgery, and Ginn was sort of a ghost this season.
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So I guess Victor Cruz visited with us. Not sure how I feel about him. He was good then got injured and never really did much else. I guess it's worth the gamble if we can get him on the cheap. Thoughts?
I don't see what Cruz really adds. Want to stick with Ginn, as at times he can just explode and do things very few can (and to be fair, at times do thing I could, like drop a pass). Cruz adds experience, but not so much speed.

Wideouts aren't the problem, imo. Protection is the problem. The pocket is closing too quickly.
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Old 02-22-2017, 08:04 AM   #48
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I don't see what Cruz really adds. Want to stick with Ginn, as at times he can just explode and do things very few can (and to be fair, at times do thing I could, like drop a pass). Cruz adds experience, but not so much speed.

Wideouts aren't the problem, imo. Protection is the problem. The pocket is closing too quickly.
I agree and disagree. Agree that Cruz isn't much of an upgrade over anybody on the roster (except Bersin). But disagree that WR is not a problem spot. Not the biggest problem we have but certainly not our strongest position. Potential is sky high, production not so much. I could argue that Ginn was our best and most consistent threat last year. I don't want to lose him. Funchess will show up for a game and disappear for the next 2, which is strange because I still think he can be really good. KB kinda just plays when he wants to it looks like, his effort level pisses me off sometimes. Olsen is our only consistent passing threat. We need more production from our wide outs but I'm not sure Cruz gives us a whole lot.

If he's cheap maybe we could sign Cruz and cut Bersin. I can dream right?
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So, Fournette showed up to the Combine 5 lbs over his playing weight at 240. He ran a 4.51, but was promising something in the 4.4's. But most concerning was a 28.5 inch vertical, which was the least of all but 2 RB's in the last 4 combines. By comparison with other big backs, AD28 had a 38", Derrick Henry 37". VLeap is a crucial indicator of explosive ability. Every freakin' mock I see has us taking him, and I'm liking the idea less and less.
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So, Fournette showed up to the Combine 5 lbs over his playing weight at 240. He ran a 4.51, but was promising something in the 4.4's. But most concerning was a 28.5 inch vertical, which was the least of all but 2 RB's in the last 4 combines. By comparison with other big backs, AD28 had a 38", Derrick Henry 37". VLeap is a crucial indicator of explosive ability. Every freakin' mock I see has us taking him, and I'm liking the idea less and less.
RB is our 2nd greatest need(3rd according to some) behind OT. I don't see an OT on the board that merits our 1st pick. I suppose we could trade the pick, but a year ago, many thought Fournette should sit out last year to protect his status.
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RB is our 2nd greatest need(3rd according to some) behind OT. I don't see an OT on the board that merits our 1st pick. I suppose we could trade the pick, but a year ago, many thought Fournette should sit out last year to protect his status.
I don't like the idea of taking a RB as high as we are and think we need to address the offensive line. That said, I would prefer Dalvin Cook over Fournette. As a co-worker of mine said, Fournette has too much tread on his tires.
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Looks like Matt Kalil will be joining his brother in Charlotte.

Unfortunately it seems the Cats will be missing out on Barry Church. He is supposed to be headed to JAX. I've heard Micah Hyde as a possibility. Bill Voth mentioned Jungle Boi as a possibility too but the Cards seem determined to re-sign him.
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Looks like Matt Kalil will be joining his brother in Charlotte.

Unfortunately it seems the Cats will be missing out on Barry Church. He is supposed to be headed to JAX. I've heard Micah Hyde as a possibility. Bill Voth mentioned Jungle Boi as a possibility too but the Cards seem determined to re-sign him.
Yeah, just read that: http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/1...olina-panthers

I know they were going after him or Okung. Still need to draft/UDFA another OT for depth, imo. And this makes it more-or-less official that Oher is done.

As for Church, it would be real nice if Jamal Adams fell to us in the draft.
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And AJ Klein to NOLA. Hate to see him go, but dude deserves a chance to start.

on edit: Damn, and Ginn signed with the Saints, too. #speedDeficit
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Yeah, just read that: http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/1...olina-panthers

I know they were going after him or Okung. Still need to draft/UDFA another OT for depth, imo. And this makes it more-or-less official that Oher is done.

As for Church, it would be real nice if Jamal Adams fell to us in the draft.
I hear he is still in concussion protocol. That's like the better part of 5 months or so that he's been in it. He needs to retire for his own sake.
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I hear he is still in concussion protocol. That's like the better part of 5 months or so that he's been in it. He needs to retire for his own sake.
Yeah, I agree. If I went 6 months without being 100% mentally, be damned if I'd go out there and play offensive line again.
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Kalil has been up-and-down, some injuries, but this was a risk Gettleman had to take. There simply aren't any bona fide starting LT's in this draft.
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I don't like the idea of taking a RB as high as we are and think we need to address the offensive line. That said, I would prefer Dalvin Cook over Fournette. As a co-worker of mine said, Fournette has too much tread on his tires.
Cook is just the thing the Panthers offense needs. Would be great for them to have a real run threat other than just Cam. They've been missing some explosive RB's for awhile now.
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I agree. If we are going to take a RB with our 1st pick (which I am angrily against doing). We should definitely take Cook. Looks like we need WR help now too with Ginn going to NO as posted above.
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