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Old 01-05-2018, 02:10 PM   #21
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Old 01-05-2018, 02:14 PM   #22
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$5 mill to make 5 $1,000,000 men would pay huge dividends.
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Did you post your own gamecock hating article again?
Not hating, just making an honest observation.
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Old 01-05-2018, 02:51 PM   #24
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It doesn’t matter because this is the best shooting team he has EVER coached
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Old 01-05-2018, 05:33 PM   #25
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Good summary by Ace. If you're interested in a little bit more about those 4, here are their stats below. Had they stayed here and stayed focused (a big assumption), I think both Gregory and Doby would have developed into good players and contributors since they had flashes of that their freshman year, but I'm sure that getting bounced around hasn't helped.


Marcus Stroman: Transferred to Louisiana – Lafayette and sat out 2016-2017. This year, he has played in 15 games and is averaging 26 min / game. Stats: 7.0 ppg, 5.8 apg vs. 3.1 tpg, 2.0 rpg, 1.6 spg. Currently shooting 39%, 25% from 3pt.


Jamal Gregory: Transferred to Chipola College (FL) in 2016-2017 and then Jacksonville State for 2017-2018. Appeared in 27 games at Chipola, averaging 10.3 ppg on 45.2% shooting, with 3.2 rpg and 2.1 apg. This year at JSU, he has played 16 games and is averaging 22.5 minutes / game. Stats: 8.5 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 1.4 spg, and 3.1 apg vs. 2.1 tpg. Is currently shooting 44.4% from the floor and 28.6% from 3pt.


Eric Cobb: Transferred to UConn and sat out 2016-2017. This year, he has played in 10 games, averaging 10 min / game. Stats: 2.3 ppg and 3.5 rbg while shooting 41%.


Raymond Doby: Currently playing at South Plains College in Texas. This year, he has played in 9 games. Stats: 7.9 ppg and 6.6 rpg; shooting 55.8% from the floor.
Yeah, no stars in the bunch, all are playing at a lower level school except Cobb at UCONN - and they are not exactly a powerhouse this year (7-7 with a 25 point loss to Auburn and a 35 point loss to Arkansas).

South Plains College, where Doby plays, is a JUCO in Texas - their most famous alumnus is Waylon Jennings.
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Old 01-05-2018, 05:35 PM   #26
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It doesn’t matter because this is the best shooting team he has EVER coached
We have shooters, just need a ballhandler or two to get them open.

And defense to keep the other team from getting open and knocking down easy looks.
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I'll weigh in on this subject..Coach Martin does not have a spot up shooter like he did with Sid. He needs to recruit more shooters. Period.
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Old 01-05-2018, 07:04 PM   #28
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It doesn’t matter because this is the best shooting team he has EVER coached
This has come up often in this forum and I will defend Frank on this. When he made that statement it was before the season started and he said this was true at the time but did know if it would hold up through practice and the season. I think he made a very honest statement at the time.
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This season has a lot more to do with those players and their bb guns and PJ leaving than anything else. Our roster is in rebuild mode.
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This has come up often in this forum and I will defend Frank on this. When he made that statement it was before the season started and he said this was true at the time but did know if it would hold up through practice and the season. I think he made a very honest statement at the time.
Let's take a look.

Booker is a really good shooter. No question.
Gravett has a nice stroke and can get hot, just needs to be more consistent.
Beatty's shot is not pretty but he hits a high percentage of threes.
Minaya is a good shooter with three point range.
I cringe when it happens, but both Silva and Kotsar are taking and making a high percentage of three point shots.
Haase is a really good three point shooter. And a good shooter period.
Hard to say on Holden - he has not been healthy enough to evaluate.

Minaya, Booker, Beatty and Haase are all new and can shoot, so Frank's statement appears to be true.

Again, the problem is Point Guard. We can shoot, but we need a Point Guard to get the plays set up, penetrate and create openings for our shooters, and avoid the turnovers that have been ending our possessions early. Myers is learning but we need to get Gravett and Holden back healthy.
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Old 01-06-2018, 01:02 PM   #31
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I'm just pissed Zion's going to Clemson and Tater sports will be plastered all over SportsCenter meanwhile we have to dig for a diamond in the rough type player because no one wants to play basketball for the Gamecocks and I'm not a troll my parents have had Basketball tickets since the 70's.
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I'll weigh in on this subject..Coach Martin does not have a spot up shooter like he did with Sid. He needs to recruit more shooters. Period.
Who is Sid?
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Old 01-06-2018, 02:59 PM   #33
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Let's take a look.

Booker is a really good shooter. No question.
Gravett has a nice stroke and can get hot, just needs to be more consistent.
Beatty's shot is not pretty but he hits a high percentage of threes.
Minaya is a good shooter with three point range.
I cringe when it happens, but both Silva and Kotsar are taking and making a high percentage of three point shots.
Haase is a really good three point shooter. And a good shooter period.
Hard to say on Holden - he has not been healthy enough to evaluate.

Minaya, Booker, Beatty and Haase are all new and can shoot, so Frank's statement appears to be true.

Again, the problem is Point Guard. We can shoot, but we need a Point Guard to get the plays set up, penetrate and create openings for our shooters, and avoid the turnovers that have been ending our possessions early. Myers is learning but we need to get Gravett and Holden back healthy.
I agree with this assessment overall. Previous years it seemed that we only had one or two guys on the team you could depend on when it comes to range. This team has more versatility in who can bring it but unfortunately we can never bring it as a team. It's always 1 or 2 different guys having a good shooting night.

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I'm just pissed Zion's going to Clemson and Tater sports will be plastered all over SportsCenter meanwhile we have to dig for a diamond in the rough type player because no one wants to play basketball for the Gamecocks and I'm not a troll my parents have had Basketball tickets since the 70's.
  1. Frank has shown improvement in each of his years here so far
  2. Clemson beat us last year but went to the NIT while we went to the Final Four
  3. Nobody watches SportsCenter anymore
  4. It ain't over 'til it's over
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