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Old 12-12-2017, 05:03 PM   #21
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I don't see the talent comparable to Frank's early teams, I do see an issue with the cohesion but only time can fix that. Hopefully Felder comes back and gives us a solid PG presence but even if he doesn't come back talent isn't the issue right now, it's just all the new faces haven't gelled yet.
I don't see anyone I am all that impressed with. Sorry. Silva is our best player and he has a real hard time staying out of foul trouble. We don't have anyone i think 2nd team all SEC Level. maybe not even third team. I don't think we are the worst SEC team but we are probably pretty close.
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We are average. I will be VERY surprised if we make the post season. (read NIT)
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Its up to Felder. We have no PG on the Team at this point. Gravett can give you minutes their but he is not very good at point. Unless Felder can actually contribute at a high level we are likely NIT bound.
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Old 12-12-2017, 09:28 PM   #24
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This team has a lot of potential to improve. We have some talented guys. When you have so many new guys, it takes time for things to gel. The extra practice they are going to get over the next while should be very helpful. Looking forward to the game at Clemson a week from today!
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I think this team will be much improved by the end of the year. The problem is we may lose too many games before we get better and not make any postseason tournament. Minaya and Haase are going to be great players. Minaya is having a Freshmen season as good as any player Frank Martin has brought in.
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I think this is an NIT type team. If we don't make the NIT I'll be a tad disappointed. I'd also be extremely happy if we do improve enough to somehow make the NCAA, but I'm not getting my hopes up.
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Do y'all think Holden's injury is a long term problem(do you think his injury took away some of his abilities as a player). I'm not a doctor
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Do y'all think Holden's injury is a long term problem(do you think his injury took away some of his abilities as a player). I'm not a doctor
I think the injury is affecting his play. Don't know how long it will be a problem. We need him to play better than he has lately.
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Not particularly good. Maybe we'll get better.
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Actually, this team is much like the team three years ago: lots of potential but inconsistent and streaky. If you will recall the first five games of the year, with the exception of the Illinois State game, when they refused to penetrate the zone but were content to pass the ball around the perimeter and shoot poorly with no interior game, the team looked good.

Then, they regressed, struggling to beat teams they should have dominated. This is the mark of new players and depending a lot on underclassmen, especially freshmen, but talented ones with promise, like Minaya and Haase.

Hopefully with more practice time allowed by the break, they will return to form; they actually played better defense the first five games, so that is a possibility. I can see a lot of variables here, with flashes of promise by other contributors, so that if things fall into place, we could end up with a pretty good team this season.
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I think this team will be much improved by the end of the year. The problem is we may lose too many games before we get better and not make any postseason tournament. Minaya and Haase are going to be great players. Minaya is having a Freshmen season as good as any player Frank Martin has brought in.
Agree with you on Minaya and Haase. Except for some defensive flaws Haase has really performed well as a freshman also. I think we can build a very good team around these two players. Beatty has started off more slowly but I also see him as being a very good player for us. Bring in a couple good recruits for next season and the future looks very bright. I think Haase has better big man skills than we have seen here in a long time. Kotsar is another good young player who has really improved his game. If he can just start making his FTs he will be a great player for us. He is going to draw lots of fouls with his aggressive offensive play.
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Frank said today at his presser that he plans to see Rah Felder before Christmas in NY to talk about him joining the team. I think this means Felder will be rejoining, provided the university approves. If Frank didn't want Felder on the team, I don't believe he would be planning this meeting with Rah. I could be wrong, but that's how I see it.
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From the few things I have heard between Frank's presser and the local radio pundits, Frank will meet with Felder in NY (as you stated) on December 21st,

The interesting point Will Gunter brought up, is is it worth it to bring him back for 12 games or do we redshirt him? I think the earliest he would be available is mid-January, so a redshirt could very well be in the works.
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Actually, this team is much like the team three years ago: lots of potential but inconsistent and streaky. If you will recall the first five games of the year, with the exception of the Illinois State game, when they refused to penetrate the zone but were content to pass the ball around the perimeter and shoot poorly with no interior game, the team looked good.

Then, they regressed, struggling to beat teams they should have dominated. This is the mark of new players and depending a lot on underclassmen, especially freshmen, but talented ones with promise, like Minaya and Haase.

Hopefully with more practice time allowed by the break, they will return to form; they actually played better defense the first five games, so that is a possibility. I can see a lot of variables here, with flashes of promise by other contributors, so that if things fall into place, we could end up with a pretty good team this season.
I agree.
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Before the season began, Frank speculated whether or not teams would come after us because we were a Final Four team last year.

A coach or player from any school is lying if they say upsetting a Final Four-caliber team wouldn't make a nice thing for their careers or something to tell their grand-kids about.

I have attended most of our OOC home games the past four years and the games this year been fun to watch.

Sure, we are not playing much defense and that has something to do with it, but the OOC teams this year are playing offense and defense much better against us than in previous seasons.

I think trying to knock off a program that's recently been to the Final Four has caused our OOC opponents to elevate their game against us this year.

Lack of defense is a legitimate concern, but we are shooting the ball better than we have in previous seasons. Up until this year, our shots that missed were about 4" away from the center of the rim when they missed.

Most of the shots that have missed at home have clanked, but have been pretty much centered up on the rim at least from my seat in the corner.

Our defense has been non-existent up until now, but the new guys' shooting techniques are much better than those of previous squads across the board.

College BB teams get better in December. The better-than-expected play of the OOC opponents has exposed our flaws earlier than expected, but that has given Frank the chance to correct those flaws in December.

I still think we're a 20-plus-win team in the regular season this year and it's not going to be as bad as people think.
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Old 12-14-2017, 11:59 PM   #36
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From the few things I have heard between Frank's presser and the local radio pundits, Frank will meet with Felder in NY (as you stated) on December 21st,

The interesting point Will Gunter brought up, is is it worth it to bring him back for 12 games or do we redshirt him? I think the earliest he would be available is mid-January, so a redshirt could very well be in the works.
I think a key determinant in that decision would be does Coach think we can make the Tourney with Felder? If so, I think you burn the red shirt...consecutive appearances would be a big boost for the program. If Felder can't help you make the tournament this year, then maybe you red shirt him.
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Thoughts: We are still a work in progress. As many have mentioned, so many newcomers to this team, its hard to really judge them so far..

What I have seen so far:
Defense needs improvement... But Frank hangs his hat on it... They will get better.

Outside shooting has been good... I like Booker's range..

Point Guard Play: Hasani has done a decent job at it, but I would REALLY love to see Felder back on the team..... It would make us so much better at the 1.

Interior play. Silva has been solid as expected... But he needs contribution from others... we are not getting it right now

If you had to ask me how we will do in the SEC... I would guess we are a 7-9 win team in conference right now... If we get Felder back for the 2nd semester, then maybe you could push it up to 10-11 conference wins
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Thoughts: We are still a work in progress. As many have mentioned, so many newcomers to this team, its hard to really judge them so far..

What I have seen so far:
Defense needs improvement... But Frank hangs his hat on it... They will get better.

Outside shooting has been good... I like Booker's range..

Point Guard Play: Hasani has done a decent job at it, but I would REALLY love to see Felder back on the team..... It would make us so much better at the 1.

Interior play. Silva has been solid as expected... But he needs contribution from others... we are not getting it right now

If you had to ask me how we will do in the SEC... I would guess we are a 7-9 win team in conference right now... If we get Felder back for the 2nd semester, then maybe you could push it up to 10-11 conference wins
I agree with most of what you are saying, but not about the bigs. Kotsar is noticeably better than last year - stronger, more assertive - and Haase has the best offensive game of the three (Silva, Kotsar, Haase). Haase is also a very good rebounder, he just needs to learn defense.

That is the big issue with most of our players due to their youth and/or lack of experience with Frank. When you have no 4th year players, one 3rd year player (Silva), and three 2nd year players (Gravett, Gueye, Kotsar), the defense will struggle early. Five Freshmen and three transfers, with only five returning years of experience with the team.

They will get better quickly, the new guys just have to play and let Frank coach 'em up.
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Does anyone else think this means that Rah is back?

https://twitter.com/juicecrew_rah/st...21994035834885
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Does anyone else think this means that Rah is back?

https://twitter.com/juicecrew_rah/st...21994035834885
That sounds positive but Frank wants to talk with him first, and the meeting will be in NYC at the end of next week. We will know by Christmas could be a good Christmas present for Rah and the fans.
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