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Old 02-14-2018, 11:13 AM   #21
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Made it to the NC and has a top recruiting class to back it up. He wasn't gifted anything. If Richt could have done that he wouldn't be in Miami. It's a results game and Kirby gets an A. He got out coached on the highest of stages but I think he'll learn from it.
His team didn't execute when it needed to in the title game, but I wouldn't say he or his staff got out coached in the playoffs. If anything their coaching at half time against OU (and their players' 2nd half effort) is what earned them the right to be in the title game in the first place.

UGA has always been a sleeping giant post-Herschel and they have the resources/fanbase. Kirby has put the pedal to the metal so far, but I hope we can trip them up on the field. With their current recruiting momentum though I'd love to hear the incentives being offered over other schools. People can oversimplify things all they want but UGA & Bama are far from clean on the recruiting trail, and it's no coincidence that it happened as soon as Kirby arrived. Not to say our hands are clean either, but those schools are doing it on a grand scale and the NCAA isn't batting an eye.
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Old 02-14-2018, 11:42 AM   #22
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I'll give Smart credit on raising the bar on an already good history of recruiting at Jawja.

That said, I'm going to put this out there...

Smart and Mel Tucker are NOT the defensive gurus that everyone might think they are.

Tucker and Smart just got schooled in the 2nd half vs Bama by a True Freshman QB, 2 WRs, and RB...and UGA's defense was loaded with future NFL players across the board.

Now, you might say that speaks to Bama's recruiting & caliber of their roster...sure, that has to be taken into account.

You can also say that the refs & UGA's play calling in the 2nd half didn't help the defense get off the field vs Tua/Bama...again, legitimate points.

Look at Tucker's recent resume...his time as DC with Chicago was a complete disaster...let go after 2 seasons.

Smart is losing 13 starters to graduation or the NFL from the 2017 team. And while they have loads of talent on that roster...Kirby is NOW going to have to win with his players...not Richt's holdovers.

In addition, the whole Jake Fromm coming in to replace an injured Eason as a starter was going to eventually happen anyway. Everything I read said Fromm was a more accurate thrower & much better athlete than Eason throughout spring/fall practice last year. Smart was staring straight at a QB controversy and Eason's injury just got Smart off the hook on inserting Fromm as starting QB.

All that to say, I'm not sold on Smart as this great HC...and I'm not crowning him as the next Saban.

If Smart & Jawja run straight through the East in '18...I'll give him the credit he's due.

Let's see what UGA looks like in Week 2 at W-B...haven't beaten them since '14...and you know Boom wants to beat his alma mater.

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Old 02-14-2018, 11:46 AM   #23
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I agree with all of the previous and obvious comments: Kirby is doing an outstanding job.

If you compare this hire to the other SEC-E hires over the past 10 seasons, it's heads above the rest, especially UTen and UF.
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Old 02-15-2018, 12:32 AM   #24
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What is there really to criticize? Led them within an eyelash of the title in his second year. Then went out and put together one of the best recruiting classes in recent memory. He is locking up #1 in the East for the foreseeable future.
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Old 02-15-2018, 01:25 AM   #25
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He's done a great job coaching all those inherited 4 and 5 star kids. What a rebuilding effort!
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Old 02-15-2018, 10:37 AM   #26
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Our QB position had become a joke before Kirby got here, the OL was God awful, and the DL wasn't much better. Richt recruited skill positions really well but had become Donnan in that regard, great skill limited lines. SEC is a line of scrimmage league and we have gone from watching top lineman leave GA to stealing other teams legacy guys. Of our 3 deep OL next year 13 of the 15 will be 4 or 5 star top 150 players in their respective recruiting classes.
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He has done a great job. Just seeing that offense and going and getting a better qb when you already had a pretty promising young QB makes me think he's going to be sustainably real good, because you knew the defense was going to be good.
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Old 02-15-2018, 11:16 AM   #28
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He's done wel so far. But hard to judge any coach on 2 years. Need at least 4-5 years until all his own players are in the system before making a final call.

See too many coaches do great with previous coach's players, only to drop off in about year 4 or 5.
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the OL was God awful, and the DL wasn't much better.
Uh, wth are you smoking??

Georgia's D-Line was loaded with 4 or 5 star players when Kirby arrived...some of which are already in or going to the NFL.

You can argue they weren't being coached at a high level...but the talent was already in place on the D-Line.

I've no sympathies for UGA fans complaining about talent levels when Smart arrived...they've recruited Top 10-15 classes the last dozen plus years.

Smart has raised the recruiting level up...but recruiting to UGA is NOT like trying to recruit to UK or MissSt. UGA has a built in advantage with the Atlanta area and the state of GA producing the HS talent they have for years.

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Uh, wth are you smoking??

Georgia's D-Line was loaded with 4 or 5 star players when Kirby arrived...some of which are already in or going to the NFL.

You can argue they weren't being coached at a high level...but the talent was already in place on the D-Line.

I've no sympathies for UGA fans complaining about talent levels when Smart arrived...they've recruited Top 10-15 classes the last dozen plus years.

Smart has raised the recruiting level up...but recruiting to UGA is NOT like trying to recruit to UK or MissSt. UGA has a built in advantage with the Atlanta area and the state of GA producing the HS talent they have for years.

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Trent Thompson was the only 5 star, We had to recruit 5 DL Kirby's 1st class cause it was so weak. Even this year 2 of our best John Atkins, Tyler Clark were coached up 3 stars. Top 10-15 Nationally is meaningless when you're 5th-7th in the SEC.
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^^Not correct...Lorenzo Carter was a 5* DE recruited by Richt. Just because Smart’s scheme calls him an OLB in the 3-4 doesn’t mean he’s not an edge rusher who played with one hand in the dirt.

Atkins and Clark were both also 4 stars...try again.

Don’t worry about it, history will surely say the UGA roster was complete garbage when Kirby arrived...cry me a river/smh.

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All I know is Kirby got a 10-3 team. A yearly 9-11 win record. Loaded with talent. Unlimited recruiting potential. Courtesy of Coach Richt. Unless he wins A Natty - he ain't showin' me nuttin'.
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He's done wel so far. But hard to judge any coach on 2 years. Need at least 4-5 years until all his own players are in the system before making a final call.

See too many coaches do great with previous coach's players, only to drop off in about year 4 or 5.
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Kirby got handed the keys to a Caddy. He has obviously driven it well so far, but those kids were mostly from prior regime. Letís see what he does with Ďallí his players in the next couple of years. He certainly has learned from the Master how to recruit.
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Kirby got handed the keys to a Caddy. He has obviously driven it well so far, but those kids were mostly from prior regime. Letís see what he does with Ďallí his players in the next couple of years. He certainly has learned from the Master how to recruit.
Agree. He was handed a 10-3 team when the SEC East was the worst it may have ever been and has gone 21-7 in those two years. He is bringing in talent but we will see if he can sustain it as the East looks poised to bounce back with all the new coaching hires.
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Top 10-15 Nationally is meaningless when you're 5th-7th in the SEC.
Truth. You have to curve these guys for being in such close proximity to all this talent. SE schools beating a bunch of Midwest and Northeast schools is a given.
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^^Not correct...Lorenzo Carter was a 5* DE recruited by Richt. Just because Smart’s scheme calls him an OLB in the 3-4 doesn’t mean he’s not an edge rusher who played with one hand in the dirt.

Atkins and Clark were both also 4 stars...try again.

Don’t worry about it, history will surely say the UGA roster was complete garbage when Kirby arrived...cry me a river/smh.

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He played as much in space at OLB and at Star then he did at rushing the passer. It wasn't complete garbage but it wasn't near Championship material either between Richt's misses, projects and roster management mistakes. In 2015 Richt's last season we lost to Alabama 38-10 and it really wasn't that close Saban took pity. We just played them to a stand still and into OT 2 years later.
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Truth. You have to curve these guys for being in such close proximity to all this talent. SE schools beating a bunch of Midwest and Northeast schools is a given.
Yep who cares if you out recruit Indiana, Iowa, UNC, or even teams like Washington and Miami you have to play Florida, Auburn, Alabama, LSU etc.
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