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Old 01-06-2019, 11:29 AM   #41
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There are other DL coaches that he can bring in that rae just as good without all the baggage.
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Even if it’s true, most people will never believe that and think Muschamp is hiring cheaters.

There are other DL coaches that he can bring in that rae just as good without all the baggage.
A print source? There might be some out there, I haven’t looked.

When this all came down I know for a fact through personal connections that the Bama program was terrified that he’d flip and sell them out for a lighter punishment. The guy went from being a top notch coach/ recruiter to having to drive trucks to feed his family.

Yeah, he lied. He was set up by another program, caught off guard, and initially didn’t think it would be a big deal. The program that was influential in setting him up was hoping he’d sell Bama out and give them an edge. You don’t think it was odd the NCAA spent so much time investigating him?

Saban picks up every miscreant out there to be QC coaches, rehabs them, then either promotes them or they move back to another job. No one cares past the first week they’re hired.

We need a very good DL coach. We need a very good recruiter. He’s both.

I sincerely hope we hire the guy. Not only will he help the program, but it’ll have the added effect of pissing off the Taters. We have a chance with him and the RB coach from Miami to get both on board and make a statement.

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I’d be cool with the Davis hire.
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prove it. why was he given a 2 year show cause order.
He met with some players and then didn't tell the NCAA what they wanted to know. Says it was a meeting and nothing more. I don't think he was a bagman or anything evil.

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Davis then provided false or misleading information about the meeting and the booster's involvement when questioned by Alabama and the NCAA, according to the NCAA.

While Davis has declined to discuss the case publicly, sources told AL.com that Davis has maintained with the NCAA that the meeting wasn't pre-arranged and that it consisted simply of Davis introducing himself to the players upon urging from the their high school coach.
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He met with some players and then didn't tell the NCAA what they wanted to know. Says it was a meeting and nothing more. I don't think he was a bagman or anything evil.

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While Davis has declined to discuss the case publicly, sources told AL.com that Davis has maintained with the NCAA that the meeting wasn't pre-arranged and that it consisted simply of Davis introducing himself to the players upon urging from the their high school coach.
What the article states Davis was caught doing - meeting with high school players during their junior season, or prior to when NCAA rules allow for college coaches to personally meet with prospects - is something that Nick Saban is well known for doing and having his staff do at Alabama.

When Saban first came to Bama, the recruiting to the program was a bit stagnant under the previous regime run by David Shula. At the time in the SEC environment, the big ground-shaker in recruiting was being conducted by Florida's Urban Meyer, who's program was regularly bringing in #1 or top 5 recruiting classes. Florida at the time was taking over the King of the Hill in recruiting from Southern Cal, who was under Pete Carroll at the time.

Meyer was surely finding ways to bend the rules, as he is what he is, but largely it was done on the back of sheer effort. Meyer as the head coach was often personally out-recruiting many top recruiting assistant coaches at the time, and making points with elite prospects just based on sheer exposure to them, using social networking and texting to them daily in ways other staffs were way behind on doing. Visiting them and attending their practices and games, when at the time it was mostly assistants that were doing that stuff.

Saban took it a whole nother level when he got to Alabama. He made the NCAA review and in cases re-write if not outright make up new recruiting rules, in response to what Saban's staff was doing at Alabama, and not because of effort, but in bending and even breaking existing rules.

What Davis got caught doing above was a pet practice by Saban's staff at Alabama, and it resulted in what now is commonly known as the "Saban Bump Rule", or simply, the "Saban Rule". Google it - it exists. Saban had his staffs go to high schools with elite talent - but talent still too young to allow for personal recruitment - to "meet" with the HS coaches, and somehow always end up "bumping" into said young elite talent in the hallways, or the HS coach's offices, or elsewhere around the schools. And then end up talking with said kids for hours. Sometimes it was "bumping" into the kids when they went out with their families to eat. Or "bumping" into them at their churches, lol. When other staffs at other programs were obeying the rules, and keeping away or at best mailing the kids recruiting letters, or relaying info to them through their HS coaches over the phone.

They did this with the young elite talent, and also during "dead periods" which forbade personal visits or recruiting. Those Alabama coaches were always meeting a ton with high school football coaches during those "dead" periods.

The "Saban Rule" was established by the NCAA well before Davis was caught doing this. Something tells me the Bama staff still regularly engages in that stuff, even as they are now winning multiple championships. Alabama under Saban very quickly overtook Meyer's UF program in pulling in yearly #1 classes, and the CFB nation knows clearly how they did it, but it's not talked about much in those circles......
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Thank you. May need to prescribe some ADD meds around here lol.
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Meh ... there's times conversations can get off topic. The problem is when it starts reaching 20 something posts about something that may never even be a possibility.
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Meh ... there's times conversations can get off topic. The problem is when it starts reaching 20 something posts about something that may never even be a possibility.
All I was trying to say was if we get a D line coach that is decent (not Thompson) we could create more pressure, get more sacks and possibly land Burch. It seems that Thompson has been half assing it lately and is looking for a way to get out of Columbia. If we hired someone else it’s possible we could get Burch.
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Eric Kimrey was talking on 107.5 The Game saying Burch was hands down the best player in SC for that class.
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After last night, where do you think this guy is going? It's pretty obvious.

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After last night, where do you think this guy is going? It's pretty obvious.

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If that was how it worked the reigning champ would always get the best 25 players. He may well end up there, but there are a lot more factors than last night's game.
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If that was how it worked the reigning champ would always get the best 25 players. He may well end up there, but there are a lot more factors than last night's game.
Idk, imagine growing up a Clemson fan, Clemson winning the national championship, and you deciding to go to their rival who just got blanked by Virginia... I know there's more at play but its pretty hard to get past that
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I'm thinking Clemson just jumped to the front for Burch.
Winning a national title may hurt us a bit.
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Winning a national title may hurt us a bit.
I dunno, if there's one good thing about Clemson being the new top dogs of CFB, it's that they're now a finished success story, not a program selling the idea that they're on the brink of something special. They've already made it to the top.

And yes, they will have a great recruiting class full of kids who want a ring on their finger, but Dabo can no longer sell the "we're building towards something great here, and you can help us" routine. If winning, winning, winning is what garnered recruits, then we should've been in Clemson's position by now, the way we smacked them around for half a decade.


Every other program in the nation is looking to take down Clemson now. All the recruits out there are being told that Clemson has already made it to the top, and thus by going there, you're just bandwagoning off their success.
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I dunno, if there's one good thing about Clemson being the new top dogs of CFB, it's that they're now a finished success story, not a program selling the idea that they're on the brink of something special. They've already made it to the top.

And yes, they will have a great recruiting class full of kids who want a ring on their finger, but Dabo can no longer sell the "we're building towards something great here, and you can help us" routine. If winning, winning, winning is what garnered recruits, then we should've been in Clemson's position by now, the way we smacked them around for half a decade.


Every other program in the nation is looking to take down Clemson now. All the recruits out there are being told that Clemson has already made it to the top, and thus by going there, you're just bandwagoning off their success.
And staff can sell early PT.
But, when you can pitch "you come here, you can help us win ANOTHER national title" it is hard to compete agaisnt that. Also, with him being a rumored Clemson fan, I think it will be an uphill battle.

Will depend on what movement is done with the staff and who they may hire as a Dline coach, if Thompson leaves.
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Idk, imagine growing up a Clemson fan, Clemson winning the national championship, and you deciding to go to their rival who just got blanked by Virginia... I know there's more at play but its pretty hard to get past that
This guy gets it. It's not just 1 factor.

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