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Old 12-14-2017, 09:31 PM   #181
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Maybe Dawn just did a better job of gaining fan support, making the fans feel like part of the team.

I saw Martin tweet back at a fan about not needed them, it made me cringe. I don't think a coach needs to be on twitter battling with fans.
No, the fans just know which team is a contender and which team isn't. It's pretty much that simple.
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Old 12-14-2017, 09:48 PM   #182
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It's the acronym only he uses for the Colonial Life Arena. I cringe when i see it. So odd

Il say this. Dawn had fans there before she was good. I believe she had more of the true fans showing up. Tickets were cheap so she drew fans that wanted to be there and could maybe only afford those tickets, while martin coached the higher profile team where fans buys season tickets as a status symbol. Many fans never show up for a game, but they keep their great seats every year.
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Old 12-14-2017, 10:21 PM   #183
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So everybody else should. Got it. And, it is EXACTLY the point. Don't excoriate others if you can't or won't meet the standard you expect of everyone else.
You're making a strawman argument. I never said that every one has to go to every single game. I said that more people should support the team after they achieved a huge level success. I went to a lot of games as a student (OOC and SEC) and I've spent a ton of money on tickets since graduating three years ago.
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Old 12-14-2017, 10:27 PM   #184
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I still don't get your point, what exactly have the men's basketball team proved? Last year was only our second appearance in the NCAAT since the turn of the century. At least the football team has been more consistent in bowl appearances and winning records in the same time frame. A single final four run doesn't change how your average fan views basketball at South Carolina. Especially when the 3 of the 4 key players of that team leave at the end of the season. Sustained success builds a fan base more than an unlikely run for a team that practically everyone had already gave up on by the SEC tournament. Don't get me wrong I really love Gamecock basketball, unlike most in the SC it's my favorite sport, but it still doesn't change the fact that overall it's been pretty mediocre as well. Especially in a state where you're basically predetermined to like football, you have to have at the very least some consecutive winning seasons and main tournament appearances to garner the interest you're asking for at this time of year. Frank Martin has done a great job of getting the ball rolling but he still needs a couple more good-great seasons to do it.

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Frank Martin has proven the peak of what his coaching and recruiting can do. That's not something that should be swept under the rug.

Again, I understand why it is but we shouldn't sit here and pretend that the reason is purely because the team needs to "show more." The reason is because this is the South and a ton of the schools social traditions are built around football. It has very little to do with USC having some winning tradition historically.

I wish that trend would break and you can tell Frank does too.
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Old 12-15-2017, 10:15 PM   #185
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It's the acronym only he uses for the Colonial Life Arena. I cringe when i see it. So odd

Il say this. Dawn had fans there before she was good. I believe she had more of the true fans showing up. Tickets were cheap so she drew fans that wanted to be there and could maybe only afford those tickets, while martin coached the higher profile team where fans buys season tickets as a status symbol. Many fans never show up for a game, but they keep their great seats every year.
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Old 12-17-2017, 01:23 PM   #186
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I think high fan attendance can be a double-edged sword with Frank's squads, though.

People cheer and applaud made baskets, not lock-down defense unless there's a rejection or a steal.

If you have a player that feeds off the energy of the fans when they make shots, then he might be more prone to playing soft defense to conserve his strength for making shots.

A boss will sometimes ask you to do something and you know all or part of it won't work, but they will never see that if you refuse to do what is asked of you.

In the past, Frank has said there is a give-and-take if the players make an effort to play his style of defense.

I think Frank realizes there is a balance between offense and defense, but the kids are totally abandoning defense so far in games no matter what they do in practice and he rightfully doesn't trust them in that area.

I get what Frank is saying, but I think better home attendance might work against us right now until he gets the kids to player better defense on game day.

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Old 12-17-2017, 02:43 PM   #187
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I think high fan attendance can be a double-edged sword with Frank's squads, though.

People cheer and applaud made baskets, not lock-down defense unless there's a rejection or a steal.

If you have a player that feeds off the energy of the fans when they make shots, then he might be more prone to playing soft defense to conserve his strength for making shots.

A boss will sometimes ask you to do something and you know all or part of it won't work, but they will never see that if you refuse to do what is asked of you.

In the past, Frank has said there is a give-and-take if the players make an effort to play his style of defense.

I think Frank realizes there is a balance between offense and defense, but the kids are totally abandoning defense so far in games no matter what they do in practice and he rightfully doesn't trust them in that area.

I get what Frank is saying, but I think better home attendance might work against us right now until he gets the kids to player better defense on game day.

JMO.
I have to say I disagree with that assumption. Fans cheer for defense and bigger crowds only increase excitement to play.
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Old 12-17-2017, 02:50 PM   #188
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I think high fan attendance can be a double-edged sword with Frank's squads, though.

People cheer and applaud made baskets, not lock-down defense unless there's a rejection or a steal.

If you have a player that feeds off the energy of the fans when they make shots, then he might be more prone to playing soft defense to conserve his strength for making shots.

A boss will sometimes ask you to do something and you know all or part of it won't work, but they will never see that if you refuse to do what is asked of you.

In the past, Frank has said there is a give-and-take if the players make an effort to play his style of defense.

I think Frank realizes there is a balance between offense and defense, but the kids are totally abandoning defense so far in games no matter what they do in practice and he rightfully doesn't trust them in that area.

I get what Frank is saying, but I think better home attendance might work against us right now until he gets the kids to player better defense on game day.

JMO.
That's a strange way to look at things. Defense thrives on fan intensity.
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