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Old 01-02-2017, 08:53 AM   #81
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Default Re: EOY 2016: Is Ray Tanner Getting the Job Done?

I truly hope Ray has a 15-year run as a dynamite AD at the University of South Carolina. IMO, most of what he does will be judged by the football program. Of course, everything else matters, namely basketball and baseball. But if Muschamp starts winning 8+ games per year, every year, the stadium will be sold out and all other accolades will be gravy.

One test we use at my place of business, regarding employees, is as follows: Would our closest competitor want to hire this person?

In this instance, I think it's just too early to tell. The next 2-3 years will probably tell us how Ray's tenure will go.
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No. Its the team that matters to you as a fan. And its also extremely nearsighted and ignorant.
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I feel like it was a good ole boy hire, which would be OK if it was the best hire we could make. But did we even look that hard for a new AD after Hyman? We are a major university in the SEC and we hand the job to a former coach who was an assistant AD for a few yrs like 20 years ago. Does that sound like something a major university that is determined to win at the highest levels would do?

It might turn out to be a good hire but if we hadn't had Hyman, where would we be right now? Bc he put this plan in place. Ray is just following it.

I like Frank Martin but he's not gonna win us any championships. Let's be honest. Ray took the easy road by giving him the extension.

It's too early to tell on Muschamp. It may end up being a great hire but don't tell me he was the guy from the start. He was third bc if he was first, we would have hired him way sooner. Which means Ray wasn't honest with us when he said Will was his guy from the beginning.

We just need to decide what's important: academic honors and nonrevenue sports achievements or winning championships in the big three. Its too early to tell if we can have both under Ray.
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No. Its the team that matters to you as a fan. And its also extremely nearsighted and ignorant.
I swear man these chicken littles just don't stop. Maybe they should submit their resumes to become our new AD. Or find a way to make enough disposable income to become a major donor.

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I swear man these chicken littles just don't stop. Maybe they should submit their resumes to become our new AD. Or find a way to make enough disposable income to become a major donor.

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I usually agree with you but why is this subject so taboo? If Ray Tanner's name was Fred Jones his performance thus far would be argued ad nauseum.

I believe it's a legitimate topic for discussion and I've stated my opinion. I'm also not surprised most fans here seem to be behind Ray. I'm glad they are.
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I usually agree with you but why is this subject so taboo? If Ray's name was Fred Jones his performance thus far would be argued ad nauseum.
I think if Ray's performance doesn't improve in the next 2 years we should start looking for a new AD but most of the whining in this thread from certain posters is a knee jerk reaction to Clemson doing well in football and basketball. Personally I do agree with posters who say that in order for us to improve the athletic department has to be run like a business and we need to give Ray at least a couple more years to adapt to this style of leadership. The amount of doom and gloom, not "being a realist" as some claim, around here is staring to be embarrassing.
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I think if Ray's performance doesn't improve in the next 2 years we should start looking for a new AD but most of the whining in this thread from certain posters is a knee jerk reaction to Clemson doing well in football and basketball. Personally I do agree with posters who say that in order for us to improve the athletic department has to be run like a business and we need to give Ray at least a couple more years to adapt to this style of leadership. The amount of doom and gloom, not "being a realist" as some claim, around here is staring to be embarrassing.


Until we get tired of losing to them it's never going to change. It's embarrassing that too many of our fans see it as ok.


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I swear man these chicken littles just don't stop. Maybe they should submit their resumes to become our new AD. Or find a way to make enough disposable income to become a major donor.

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You wonder how we've been mediocre our entire existence. So unless I think I'm qualified to be AD, I'm not allowed to think hiring a baseball coach with no AD experience at a major university was dumb? Geez
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Muschamp is doing a great job after 1 year, but it's a results oriented job and 6-7 yerars are not going be good enough for him to keep him employeed here. For the first couple of years it's fine because everyone would starting from scratch like this has such a tough job, but its' not going to be considered a successful hire until we start being team with a lot more wins than losses.
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I truly hope Ray has a 15-year run as a dynamite AD at the University of South Carolina. IMO, most of what he does will be judged by the football program. Of course, everything else matters, namely basketball and baseball. But if Muschamp starts winning 8+ games per year, every year, the stadium will be sold out and all other accolades will be gravy.

One test we use at my place of business, regarding employees, is as follows: Would our closest competitor want to hire this person?

In this instance, I think it's just too early to tell. The next 2-3 years will probably tell us how Ray's tenure will go.
I would bet there are lots of schools that would love to have ray as their head baseball coach.
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Default Re: EOY 2016: Is Ray Tanner Getting the Job Done?

I think he botched the transition with Spurrier. In an interview he mentioned after the 7-6 season he was really considering retiring and had a sit down with Ray. He said Ray encouraged him to stick around for another season if he liked. Right then and there, Ray should have really analyzed the state of the program and axed Spurrier (or just say "yes, please retire"). This would have saved us atleast from the 3 win season. That said, I don't mind the Muschamp hire and think he will bring in about as much talent as you could hope here right now.
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I think he botched the transition with Spurrier. In an interview he mentioned after the 7-6 season he was really considering retiring and had a sit down with Ray. He said Ray encouraged him to stick around for another season if he liked. Right then and there, Ray should have really analyzed the state of the program and axed Spurrier (or just say "yes, please retire"). This would have saved us atleast from the 3 win season. That said, I don't mind the Muschamp hire and think he will bring in about as much talent as you could hope here right now.
"please retire?" after SEC east championship year, than 4 11-win seasons and 7-6 year after just winning another bowl? No. No AD would have done that. I will say though that Tanner is facilitator. I can't really see him firing anyone or tell them they aren't doing a good job. He will just do what he can to help them win more. I really do want to see him actually fire someone just to show he has the guts to do it. But there really isn't anyone deserving to be fired that I can think of right now.
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I don't know why we have this thread. No offense to OP, but it's not like SC will fire him if he's doing a bad job. He was "rewarded" with the AD position for doing such a good job with the baseball team. It's like if Danny Ford had been offered the AD job after 1981 at Clemson. They'd let him run it for 15 years without saying a word.

Tanner should have never gotten the job. And I'll tell you something else...if he messes around and doesn't stop that stupid mausoleum or whatever from being built right in the shadow of WBS, he can gtfo for all I care. That thing will be a monument to how sorry our program is for years and years.
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These threads always start after losses, but never after wins... Hmmmmmmmmm... /Puts on Kermit the frog suit and drinks tea.
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Ray Ray is here as LONG AS HE WANTS TO BE HERE....Period...The man is a winner and knows how to hire winners....
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I don't know why we have this thread. No offense to OP, but it's not like SC will fire him if he's doing a bad job. He was "rewarded" with the AD position for doing such a good job with the baseball team. It's like if Danny Ford had been offered the AD job after 1981 at Clemson. They'd let him run it for 15 years without saying a word.

Tanner should have never gotten the job. And I'll tell you something else...if he messes around and doesn't stop that stupid mausoleum or whatever from being built right in the shadow of WBS, he can gtfo for all I care. That thing will be a monument to how sorry our program is for years and years.
What is this mausoleum you speak of?
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Sorry, it's a columbarium. See article link.

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Ray Ray is here as LONG AS HE WANTS TO BE HERE....Period...The man is a winner and knows how to hire winners....
He has to have accountabilty if shit hits the fan. He ain't no winner if we start a pattern consistent losing. Spurrier used to be winner until....looking at him now.... What was the problem? No accoutability, that's what. No accountability = why try hard attitude, no one is going to make me.
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