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Old 02-14-2018, 11:26 AM   #21
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I really have no time for trophy hunters and especially poachers of big, exotic game.

There are already enough problems with these animals welfare, that we don't need people killing them for selfish reasons. When they are gone, they are gone.

And yes, a trophy hunter was eaten by Lions a few weeks ago, as well.

I know some here are won't agree with this, but I also saw where a man shot and killed a 500lb black Bear in Greenville co. I don't agree with that, either, regardless if it was legal are not. The animal had no history of violence towards humans. We are far more of a threat to them, than they are to us.

If you go out in an area where there is known to be dangerous wild animals, you become the hunted, too.

Take a camera next time and you'll impress me with beautiful pics and the fact there was no harm to the animals.
If he harvested the meat and used/sold the pelt, I don't have much problem with it. If he shot it, took a picture and left it, that is wanton waste and he should be fined and lose his licence to hunt.

There is a big black that lives up near my in-laws in Anderson CO, So far it hasn't caused any trouble but if it starts killing cattle or getting into the chickens, it won't be long before it's turned into stew.
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As a biologist, I consider Coyotes, outside of their historic range, an invasive species. I don't have any problems with taking them. I do, however, have a bit of a problem with exterminating them simply because of their negative interactions where we run non-native livestock over their previously native territory. (Unknown to many, the federal government spends roughly $100 Million a year killing "nuisance" wildlife (including predator animals). Much of this money is spent to eliminate conflict between ranchers grazing their animals on federal land. It's a massive government subsidiary that is largely unknown.)

To some this might seem a contradiction, but it's not. Yellowstone wolves were a native species that was reintroduced to restore balance to that ecosystem. Coyotes are a non-native species that is causing havoc with ecosystems outside of their native range.

It's all a very complicated issue and I don't begin to understand it all.
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As a biologist, I consider Coyotes, outside of their historic range, an invasive species. I don't have any problems with taking them. I do, however, have a bit of a problem with exterminating them simply because of their negative interactions where we run non-native livestock over their previously native territory. (Unknown to many, the federal government spends roughly $100 Million a year killing "nuisance" wildlife (including predator animals). Much of this money is spent to eliminate conflict between ranchers grazing their animals on federal land. It's a massive government subsidiary that is largely unknown.)

To some this might seem a contradiction, but it's not. Yellowstone wolves were a native species that was reintroduced to restore balance to that ecosystem. Coyotes are a non-native species that is causing havoc with ecosystems outside of their native range.

It's all a very complicated issue and I don't begin to understand it all.
It really is a complicated issue. Most people's issues with coyotes are from a homeowner perspective, they really can cause major issues. I also understand they are carnivores doing what carnivores do. But, when it comes down to it, I like my dog better than a coyote.
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It really is a complicated issue. Most people's issues with coyotes are from a homeowner perspective, they really can cause major issues. I also understand they are carnivores doing what carnivores do. But, when it comes down to it, I like my dog better than a coyote.
And it's different eastern forests than the great plains, the inter-mountain west and southwest deserts where they are native.
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And it's different eastern forests than the great plains, the inter-mountain west and southwest deserts where they are native.
Isn't there also a northern species? They are more wolf-like if I am remembering right.
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Isn't there also a northern species? They are more wolf-like if I am remembering right.
Most like wolf/coyote hybrids as they do interbreed.
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Not to mention feral hogs. Those damn things do a lot of damage to crops and yards. We even had one tearing up lawns in our neighborhood, but it was removed, processed, and the meat turned over to feed homeless.
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We have a big coyote problem in Lexington, especially near my farm. They have been killing my chickens of late, so I have been hunting and trapping them in return. They are no good for the ecology of anywhere that I know of. Never heard of a Pro Team in any sport named ... The Coyotes. Or College for that matter, though admittedly, I have not researched that thoroughly.
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If he harvested the meat and used/sold the pelt, I don't have much problem with it. If he shot it, took a picture and left it, that is wanton waste and he should be fined and lose his licence to hunt.

There is a big black that lives up near my in-laws in Anderson CO, So far it hasn't caused any trouble but if it starts killing cattle or getting into the chickens, it won't be long before it's turned into stew.
He wouldn't be that close to civilisation if he didn't have to be. It's not the bears fault. If we humans are going to reside in their habitat, we should do everything humanly possible to keep them and us, safe from harm. It's not rocket science.

Black Bears do everything they can to avoid human contact. Only when they feel threatened, will they attack. When they are forced into human habitat, they will naturally look for food.

I have spent hundreds of nights in forests where Bears are known to be and I was never armed with anything more than a six inch case knife. And that wasn't meant for self defense. I loved seeing big game in the wild. I never had a problem. And I never wish I could have killed it...

Who the hell needs hundreds of pounds of bear meat in their freezer?

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There is the red wolf, but itís nearly extinct except for a small area of NC.

Coyotes are just taking advantage of the void left by the red wolf
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He wouldn't be that close to civilisation if he didn't have to be. It's not the bears fault. If we humans are going to reside in their habitat, we should do everything humanly possible to keep them and us, safe from harm. It's not rocket science.

Black Bears do everything they can to avoid human contact. Only when they feel threatened, will they attack. When they are forced into human habitat, they will naturally look for food.

I have spent hundreds of nights in forests where Bears are known to be and I was never armed with anything more than a six inch case knife. And that wasn't meant for self defense. I loved seeing big game in the wild. I never had a problem. And I never wish I could have killed it...

Who the hell needs hundreds of pounds of bear meat in their freezer?
People who rely on game to feed their families? Maybe he donated some of the meat?

I get it, people have different thoughts on hunting, but if its done legally and respectfully, no issues with it.
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People who rely on game to feed their families? Maybe he donated some of the meat?

I get it, people have different thoughts on hunting, but if its done legally and respectfully, no issues with it.
I do have different thoughts on hunting, but I have no problem with hunting, realistically. I know there was a new law that abled the young man to kill bear where he was hunting, but I think common sense should prevail when you shoot a large creature that had been living in the region for many years. I would have passed up on the shot and kept trying to get the Buck. The shooter said himself they had seen pictures from their cameras of the Big bear and Bucks, and he was getting frustrated of leasing this land and not getting a good look at a Buck, then the Bear walked by at Dusk...
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If he harvested the meat and used/sold the pelt, I don't have much problem with it. If he shot it, took a picture and left it, that is wanton waste and he should be fined and lose his licence to hunt.

There is a big black that lives up near my in-laws in Anderson CO, So far it hasn't caused any trouble but if it starts killing cattle or getting into the chickens, it won't be long before it's turned into stew.
You bring up a good point.

What did he do with the Bear? How did he retrieve it from the area?

Did he save the meat?
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