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Old 10-10-2018, 05:21 PM   #61
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I normally never reference statistics. But generally speaking, completion percentage can indicate whether or not the ball is is getting where it needs to be. But if you remove just 10 dropped passes, he's at 71%. So he's not exactly "inaccurate." He just makes occasional mistakes with the ball that are more memorable than others. He needs to clean that up, but everything else points to him really not having a bad season.
Itís easy to conflate and exaggerate when discussing this stuff to make a point. Jake is a good QB when he is on. When he is off he throws the ball to the other team 5 times in 2 games. Those are game killers. You will have a hard time winning games while turning the ball over 2+ times a game. PERIOD. Jake is directly responsible for that.

In a VERY small sample SCar did not do that. PERIOD.

I for one am tired of the gunslinger slinging it to the other team in big games.
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Scar passes are more catchable and his pocket presence is better.
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Scar passes are more catchable and his pocket presence is better.
But he doesn't ,or isn't allowed , to check us out of bad plays. There were multiple running plays he should have checked us out of but didn't.
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But he doesn't ,or isn't allowed , to check us out of bad plays. There were multiple running plays he should have checked us out of but didn't.
The coaches said they were going to be hard headed about running the football. That is probably on them. I would like to see some creativity in the run game and runs to the outside
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This thread is funnier than the Bentley vs Scarnecchia thread.

Dude, 100 Bentley-pumping posts in a couple of days = swinging from dem nutz.
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Ha. How is #2 irrelevant? Scarnecchia hasn't played anybody, but you want to crown him as our new starting QB based on that performance. You know, Matt Flynn stepped in for Rodgers one week and threw 6 touchdowns (either 5 or 6). Maybe he should have been the starter for the Packers in the playoffs?
3. It was a different offense. Scarnecchia wasn't asked to do much. That was pretty clear to anybody who watched the game.
4. Give me a break.
1. (not mentioned here but in the original post)Ö On gameday, you are playing to win that day with other issues such as a "higher upside" being secondary. Play the hot hand that day. It's not like Bent has been playing great and I think we'd all agree that he hasn't progressed as most would have expected plus he has a knee injury. This plays out best with Scar starting and Bent coming in if needed while the knee heals. Sending Bent out first sets him up for a fall that could be big and damaging to future development.


2. I wouldn't have said "irrelevant" but it's not like Scar had his pick and chose Mizz. We needed him, he stepped up and won. Who knows what he'll do against Tamu?


3. If we win with Scar running a limited or different offense and not turning the ball over vs. Bent losing running the complete offense and throwing pics I would argue that the choice between the two is an easy decision.


4. If you don't think that politics influence things, from time to time, within the walls of our athletic dept. then you are mistaken. Whether it is happening here is a matter of debate, but Bent Sr. had to know that if Bent Jr stumbled, this would be brought up on message boards.
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1. (not mentioned here but in the original post)Ö On gameday, you are playing to win that day with other issues such as a "higher upside" being secondary. Play the hot hand that day. It's not like Bent has been playing great and I think we'd all agree that he hasn't progressed as most would have expected plus he has a knee injury. This plays out best with Scar starting and Bent coming in if needed while the knee heals. Sending Bent out first sets him up for a fall that could be big and damaging to future development.


2. I wouldn't have said "irrelevant" but it's not like Scar had his pick and chose Mizz. We needed him, he stepped up and won. Who knows what he'll do against Tamu?


3. If we win with Scar running a limited or different offense and not turning the ball over vs. Bent losing running the complete offense and throwing pics I would argue that the choice between the two is an easy decision.


4. If you don't think that politics influence things, from time to time, within the walls of our athletic dept. then you are mistaken. Whether it is happening here is a matter of debate, but Bent Sr. had to know that if Bent Jr stumbled, this would be brought up on message boards.
Intelligent. Reasonable. Logical.

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Experience is just one part of it. Did anybody see Scarnecchia make any throws that Jake wouldn't be able to make last weekend? Honestly. I did not. The guy racked up yards on pretty short passes where he wasn't really being asked to do anything.

Besides, this isn't a process of elimination type of scenario. We don't just toss guys into a game to see if they suck so we can cross them off the list. That is just a terrible way to manage the situation. Otherwise, why not start Urich or Joyner? They haven't gotten their shot yet. It's only a conference game. How do we know FOR SURE one of them isn't the best option?
Bro, you are delusional. It is not about making the throw, you skipped a step, first you have to be able to read the defense. Jake is horrible at reading zone defenses. Go watch the UK game again. They sat back in a big zone and Jake couldn't find a guy. There is no way in hell Jake would've gotten us in fg range on that final drive. He would've overthrown Markway.
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1. (not mentioned here but in the original post)Ö On gameday, you are playing to win that day with other issues such as a "higher upside" being secondary. Play the hot hand that day. It's not like Bent has been playing great and I think we'd all agree that he hasn't progressed as most would have expected plus he has a knee injury. This plays out best with Scar starting and Bent coming in if needed while the knee heals. Sending Bent out first sets him up for a fall that could be big and damaging to future development.


2. I wouldn't have said "irrelevant" but it's not like Scar had his pick and chose Mizz. We needed him, he stepped up and won. Who knows what he'll do against Tamu?


3. If we win with Scar running a limited or different offense and not turning the ball over vs. Bent losing running the complete offense and throwing pics I would argue that the choice between the two is an easy decision.


4. If you don't think that politics influence things, from time to time, within the walls of our athletic dept. then you are mistaken. Whether it is happening here is a matter of debate, but Bent Sr. had to know that if Bent Jr stumbled, this would be brought up on message boards.
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Completion percentage has nothing to do with the number of starts.

I FEEL LIKE I'M TAKING CRAZY PILLS.

Then Debo is our best QB since he is 100%.
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Scarnecchia played fantastic against Missouri - perhaps the best offensive player performance of the game, if not best overall - but Bentley has won the starting job through countless practices and scrimmages, and has a wealth of game experience. Hopefully he didn't need Scarnecchia stepping up to see he needed to improve in his efforts, but with the Missouri game he now knows the margin for error has shrunken to a fine thin line, and will perform better going forward.

But it's still also a positive for us that we now have a back-up QB who is proven a bit in fire, and should have confidence he can lead the team to victory for the rest of the season. It's always great for the staff to have options. Now Jake has to go out and show he's better than he has been in the early part of the season....
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... but Bentley has won the starting job through countless practices and scrimmages, and has a wealth of game experience...
This should not be the criteria for who starts.

Who gives us the best chance to win?
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1. (not mentioned here but in the original post)Ö On gameday, you are playing to win that day with other issues such as a "higher upside" being secondary. Play the hot hand that day. It's not like Bent has been playing great and I think we'd all agree that he hasn't progressed as most would have expected plus he has a knee injury. This plays out best with Scar starting and Bent coming in if needed while the knee heals. Sending Bent out first sets him up for a fall that could be big and damaging to future development.


2. I wouldn't have said "irrelevant" but it's not like Scar had his pick and chose Mizz. We needed him, he stepped up and won. Who knows what he'll do against Tamu?


3. If we win with Scar running a limited or different offense and not turning the ball over vs. Bent losing running the complete offense and throwing pics I would argue that the choice between the two is an easy decision.


4. If you don't think that politics influence things, from time to time, within the walls of our athletic dept. then you are mistaken. Whether it is happening here is a matter of debate, but Bent Sr. had to know that if Bent Jr stumbled, this would be brought up on message boards.
He can still bring it! (and I mean 2001, not Jake or Scar)
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Somebody please tell me we are not comparing Bentley to Tom Brady???? Bentley should have been pulled long before he got hurt due to his on field performance at what was a respectable SEC program. If he is truly the best option we have then we are a 6 - 7 win team as long as this is what we recruit at QB. Quick comparison. I picked another middle tier SEC school and did a QB comparison. I used only last full season and the first five of this one.

Jake Bentley 329 of 526 for 3722 yds, 25 TD's and 18 INT's
Drew Lock 360 of 616 for 5451 yds, 55 TD's and 17 INT's

Bentley has a higher completion percentage but has 30 less TD's and one more INT.

FCS stats guys, that is where we are with him.
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Somebody please tell me we are not comparing Bentley to Tom Brady???? Bentley should have been pulled long before he got hurt due to his on field performance at what was a respectable SEC program. If he is truly the best option we have then we are a 6 - 7 win team as long as this is what we recruit at QB. Quick comparison. I picked another middle tier SEC school and did a QB comparison. I used only last full season and the first five of this one.

Jake Bentley 329 of 526 for 3722 yds, 25 TD's and 18 INT's
Drew Lock 360 of 616 for 5451 yds, 55 TD's and 17 INT's

Bentley has a higher completion percentage but has 30 less TD's and one more INT.

FCS stats guys, that is where we are with him.

I agree but Bentley is like a very unique QBís because he looks so good being bad, Iíve never seen a sixth man like Bentley. He is Kyle Murray lite you want to believe but he canít win games. I think Scar starts second half...
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I agree but Bentley is like a very unique QBís because he looks so good being bad, Iíve never seen a sixth man like Bentley. He is Kyle Murray lite you want to believe but he canít win games. I think Scar starts second half...
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I remember Scar saying after the game that Bentley was helping him understand converges and what Missouri was trying to do to them.
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This should not be the criteria for who starts.

Who gives us the best chance to win?
Generally speaking, the players who the coaching staffs feel gives them the best chance to win are the players who perform the best in practices and scrimmages between games, and who has the best game experience....
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I agree but Bentley is like a very unique QBís because he looks so good being bad, Iíve never seen a sixth man like Bentley. He is Kyle Murray lite you want to believe but he canít win games. I think Scar starts second half...
Yea but we may be down 28 - 3 by then. Defense will be gassed and out of options.
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