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Old 01-09-2017, 12:37 PM   #41
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The five years prior to taking the YSU job every team he was a part of finished in the top 20 from a recruiting class standpoint. He was also listed as one of the top 20 recruiters on a national level by either scout or rival that same year...can't remember which. He has done nothing but add to the recruiting effort every where he's ever been. People looking for holes in Coach Wolf's game are grasping at straws.

I'll go ahead and bottom line it. Coach Eric Wolford is unequivocally understood as being a good and hard working coach, recruiter, leader, motivator, Dad, husband, man...period. Not to mention that his players absolutely love him. There is no other semi-informed opinion floating around out there.
Since you seemed pretty informed with him--he was a zone read guy right? Came in at the time to help establish with Lattimore?

Hope that jives well with Roper.
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Since you seemed pretty informed with him--he was a zone read guy right? Came in at the time to help establish with Lattimore?

Hope that jives well with Roper.
I believe that it was Shawn Elliott who brought the zone read with him from App St. Mangus also had some experience with it which helped convince Spurrier to move the offense in that direction. Wolford was from more of a spread offense with a little zone read (like everyone these days) mixed in.
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Yancey our o-line problems started day 1 with Spurrier when he hired John Hunt.
Yep. How that '07 OL recruiting class turned out is still a head shaker. I was so glad when we recovered from a lot of that.
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....one of our former walk-on OL players, Garrett Chisolm. There's a quote from Wolford in there that speaks volumes about his ability to "coach up" a walk-on to a SEC starter. Garrett did play a big part in it as well, but his life story is very touching.
Nice! So it was Wolfie who promoted Garrett to start on our OL. I remember Garrett holding pictures of his deceased parents during Sr. player presentations at the end of the '10 season.
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He's a midwestern style coach who believes in power/smashmouth football.
...which has reemerged in CFB in the power running game. We were at our best with power running backs combined with a mobile QB who could make smart and accurate passes.
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I believe that it was Shawn Elliott who brought the zone read with him from App St. Mangus also had some experience with it which helped convince Spurrier to move the offense in that direction. Wolford was from more of a spread offense with a little zone read (like everyone these days) mixed in.
Well there are some differences. The zone read and other zone run plays are usually combined with the zone blocking schemes. Those are Shawn's contribution along with Marcus coming in.
G.A. had experience with dual threat guys and some option type plays, but not sure if G.A. ran any zone stuff when he was a Div III HBC or at MTSU.
What we ran in '09 with Stephen Garcia looked more like wildcat type plays that have the keeper option. But it worked well enough to open the door for the zone offense to move in. This was when Steve realized he had to make changes to his running game and the rest is history.
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SOS told him that he wasn't ready. He was right. We could have gotten a quality OL coach instead of Wolford. We were left in the lurch and had to settle for less. It was the start of the OL demise. Many people went out of their way to provide support for his son. Many of those subsequently felt taken advantage of. Perhaps to be expected given his job llength history. Hopefully he will do well and stay here longer this time around.
He had a winning record and was the first coach to beat a BCS or power 5 conference team at YSU but he was not ready, he coached for 5 years there but wasn't ready. So the start of our best 5 year run was the start of the OLine demise, doesn't make sense at all IMO
If someone helped a handicap kid and then felt taken advantage of because the father took a Head Coaching job then they were a POS and deserve to feel that way!
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Yancey our o-line problems started day 1 with Spurrier when he hired John Hunt. Wolford was a great hire at the time when our o-line ranked at the bottom of div 1 football. You really can't blame him for taking a head coaching job in his home state. I doubt that any position coach would have turned down that opportunity.
Yeah the most successful coach in our history always had OLine problems and only put more OLine in the NFL during his tenure here then all the other coaches before him did. We had the best offenses in our history under SOS but the OLine was always a problem? I think some exaggerate a little and find it easy to say if our OLine had been better we would have been All World but the Oline did not miss any FG's, throw any INT's or fumble one ball much less let the other offense score to win a game but hey every one has an opinion!
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Since you seemed pretty informed with him--he was a zone read guy right? Came in at the time to help establish with Lattimore?

Hope that jives well with Roper.
Wolford came to USC out of a version of the 'Spread Option' at Illinios...most offenses run some sort of 'zone read'...QB choice...as part of their running game regardless of 'system'.

It means they ran an option style offense out of the spread and/or in some/many cases from the shotgun. Again there are all sorts of 'option offenses'...triple, wing-T, wishbone, flexbone, the pistol, etc. Wolford is more of an out of the spread guy...which doesn't mean you don't rely on the run or have a balanced offense. You just do it from a different set of alignments than some of the others.

There is a lot of 'West Coast' in a lot of these systems as well.

One of the reasons for this is probably his time with Bill Snyder at KSU as both a player and coach...Snyder is considered a sort of pioneer of this brand of offense. As is Urban Meyer and Chip Kelly...even though all three run it in a different way. Rich Rod at WV is another version as well...only his has a lot of 'Run and Shoot' in his.

Of course at the time...2009...Spurrier was still running a version of his 'Fun N Gun'....which was actually pretty balanced.

Especially when compared to the Hal Mumme/Mike Leach 'Air Raid' offensive schemes.
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Yeah the most successful coach in our history always had OLine problems and only put more OLine in the NFL during his tenure here then all the other coaches before him did. We had the best offenses in our history under SOS but the OLine was always a problem? I think some exaggerate a little and find it easy to say if our OLine had been better we would have been All World but the Oline did not miss any FG's, throw any INT's or fumble one ball much less let the other offense score to win a game but hey every one has an opinion!
Agree! We have some all or nothing fans. We either suck or are the best (most of those fans just say we are horrible...facilities, OL, coaches, players, etc.).

Its like what Lou Holtz used to say.....things aren't ever quite as good or bad as they seem. Our OL's may never have been a strength of our teams with SOS or Elliot but they werent as bad as some make them out to be. It would be nice for OL and DL to be strengths for our team and hopefully one day soon with Muschamp they both will be.
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He had a winning record and was the first coach to beat a BCS or power 5 conference team at YSU but he was not ready, he coached for 5 years there but wasn't ready. So the start of our best 5 year run was the start of the OLine demise, doesn't make sense at all IMO
If someone helped a handicap kid and then felt taken advantage of because the father took a Head Coaching job then they were a POS and deserve to feel that way!
He also broke 32 schools records while at YSU.

Fun Fact...the year Coach Wolf was let go YSU was ranked in the top 20 in both polls the entire year...from start to finish.

BTW...he took that head coaching job partly so he, his wife and his handicap child could be around and near their actual family members who were there to help support them without expecting anything in return...like Yancey and his friends apparently did.
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Wolford came to USC out of a version of the 'Spread Option' at Illinios...most offenses run some sort of 'zone read'...QB choice...as part of their running game regardless of 'system'.

It means they ran an option style offense out of the spread and/or in some/many cases from the shotgun. Again there are all sorts of 'option offenses'...triple, wing-T, wishbone, flexbone, the pistol, etc. Wolford is more of an out of the spread guy...which doesn't mean you don't rely on the run or have a balanced offense. You just do it from a different set of alignments than some of the others.

There is a lot of 'West Coast' in a lot of these systems as well.

One of the reasons for this is probably his time with Bill Snyder at KSU as both a player and coach...Snyder is considered a sort of pioneer of this brand of offense. As is Urban Meyer and Chip Kelly...even though all three run it in a different way. Rich Rod at WV is another version as well...only his has a lot of 'Run and Shoot' in his.

Of course at the time...2009...Spurrier was still running a version of his 'Fun N Gun'....which was actually pretty balanced.

Especially when compared to the Hal Mumme/Mike Leach 'Air Raid' offensive schemes.
Watching film from YSU he had a very imaginative offense, some triple option, some power I and a good bit of zone read with most plays starting in one formation only to put a player in motion and run the play out of another. In the game that they upset Pitt they ran a ton of shotgun, 2 back sets with the end coming in motion to create misdirection in the option game.

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He also broke 32 schools records while at YSU.

Fun Fact...the year Coach Wolf was let go YSU was ranked in the top 20 in both polls the entire year...from start to finish.

BTW...he took that head coaching job partly so he, his wife and his handicap child could be around and near their actual family members who were there to help support them without expecting anything in return...like Yancey and his friends apparently did.
, No disrespect to Wolford but they had a chance to get Bo Pelini another hometown boy.
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Yeah the most successful coach in our history always had OLine problems and only put more OLine in the NFL during his tenure here then all the other coaches before him did. We had the best offenses in our history under SOS but the OLine was always a problem? I think some exaggerate a little and find it easy to say if our OLine had been better we would have been All World but the Oline did not miss any FG's, throw any INT's or fumble one ball much less let the other offense score to win a game but hey every one has an opinion!
That best run in school history was because of a great defense and Connor Shaw not the o-line. During that stretch the best offense we fielded was ranked 36 in total. This is how we ranked offensively during that stretch.

2010 (9-5) SEC East Title - 47th
2011 (11-2) - 73rd
2012 (11-2) - 84th
2013 (11-2) - 36th
2014 (7-6) The year the defense fell apart (ranked 94th). - 35th

Since when does the o-line throw interceptions or kick field goals? Connor Shaw was IMO the best QB to have ever played here and it wasn't because of his passing skills, it was his extremely smart play (TD to Int ratio) and how he made plays with his feet. I think you are giving the o-line way more credit then they deserve.
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, No disrespect to Wolford but they had a chance to get Bo Pelini another hometown boy.
This was simply a situation where Jim Tressel...who returned to YSU as its President in May of 2014...wanted Bo Pelini...another Youngstown kid...who had just been let go at Nebraska.

Wolford was instantly offered multiple jobs and decided on going to the NFL...the literal highest level the sport offers anywhere on the planet.
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The problem that I see here is that we need help now not 2-3 year projects. This is why I think that they will look real hard in the JUCO ranks for players that can make more of an immediate impact and less on project players. There will always be the under the radar players and I have complete faith in Wolford's ability to find and asses those guys. I also think that he will make a bigger impact on the players he will inherit. We have some good players up front but they lacked development and conditioning from the previous staff.
Unfortunately if you're not getting JUCOs or Cam Robinson types most of the help you bring in are 2-3 year projects, just the nature of the position. That said I think our current players will be playing better because they're in their 2nd year in our new S&C program which appears to be superior to the old one and Wolford is a hell of a coach.
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Watching film from YSU he had a very imaginative offense, some triple option, some power eye and a good bit of zone read with most plays starting in one formation only to put a player in motion and run the play out of another. In the game that they upset Pitt they ran a ton of shotgun, 2 back sets with the end coming in motion to create misdirection in the option game.
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That best run in school history was because of a great defense and Connor Shaw not the o-line. During that stretch the best offense we fielded was ranked 36 in total. This is how we ranked offensively during that stretch.

2010 (9-5) SEC East Title - 47th
2011 (11-2) - 73rd
2012 (11-2) - 84th
2013 (11-2) - 36th
2014 (7-6) The year the defense fell apart (ranked 94th). - 35th

Since when does the o-line throw interceptions or kick field goals? Connor Shaw was IMO the best QB to have ever played here and it wasn't because of his passing skills, it was his extremely smart play (TD to Int ratio) and how he made plays with his feet. I think you are giving the o-line way more credit then they deserve.
You don't need a high-ranked offense to win - just an efficient offense that can move the ball consistently, get some points and keep the other team's offense off the field.

The proliferation of spread HUNH offenses has made the offensive rankings pretty crazy. Alabama, for one, will never be at the top of the offensive rankings. But they move the ball and win TOP and score enough to win. We had that with Shaw and the O Line at the time, hopefully we will have it with Deebo, Rico, Bentley and the 2017 O Line.
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Looking at 2009 and 2010 classes (likely had a hand in both of those) I won't be surprised if we sign another JUCO guy...also, Wolford I remember preached physicality and playing nasty...two things Muschamp also wants to see.

If anything, I think he may open us up to new areas with his contacts...possibly in the Ohio area...but still think our primary recruiting grounds will be SC, GA, NC and FL for Oline.
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You don't need a high-ranked offense to win - just an efficient offense that can move the ball consistently, get some points and keep the other team's offense off the field.

The proliferation of spread HUNH offenses has made the offensive rankings pretty crazy. Alabama, for one, will never be at the top of the offensive rankings. But they move the ball and win TOP and score enough to win. We had that with Shaw and the O Line at the time, hopefully we will have it with Deebo, Rico, Bentley and the 2017 O Line.
If you have a stout defense like Alabama has and what we had during the stretch you are correct, you don't need a high powered offense. Bama is living proof that you can win with a smart yet conservative offense and a great defense but even Saban has changed his ways a bit with a dual threat QB and mixing up tempo. But most of all Bama has a great o-line and one of the best coaches in the business to go along with them.

Shaw was a gamer and just made things happen, but most of all he was smart with the ball and rarely turned it over. He was also a master of the read option and could break off a big run at any time so defenses had to account for that at all times. This helped mask the inefficiencies up front.
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It is the borderline illegal (totally illegal under NFL rules) RPO with guys run-blocking on pass plays that is messing stuff up. They will probably outlaw the play in a year or two with a 1 yard blocking down field rule and then we will be glad if we have a strong defense and balanced offensive attack.
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