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#361 |
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![]() I suppose I'd be interested to know of situations where a single one-and-done recruit is credited with single-handedly elevating recruiting at a program over the long-term.
There's no argument from me that we should be pursuing him heavily and that he's an obvious take. I just won't view it as detrimental to our program if we don't get him. |
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#362 |
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Male Join Date: May 2016
Location: Charleston
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![]() Did Zion release his Top 5 list yet? Any new news on him?
Maybe someone should start a separate thread for "One and Dones"... |
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#363 | |
1st Team All-American
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#364 | |
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If Calipari staying at Memphis is a requirement, then that doesn't attribute the success solely to a one-and-done. Also, Memphis was already having success, having made the Elite 8 the 2 seasons prior to Rose arriving. And they had good NCAAT success in years past. You can't really say Melo elevated Syracuse. Yes, he was instrumental in them winning the title the year he was there, but they'd been in the tournament almost every year for the previous 20 years before Melo's arrival and won a couple titles. Alford had one down year at UCLA and was in trouble b/c of their impatient fan base, but he'd taken them to the Sweet 16 the two years prior. With the hottest one-and-done in the game this season, they still only made it back to the Sweet 16. So did Ball really elevate the program? With UCLA's crazy history, it's really hard to attribute any future recruiting success to Ball's having gone there. The two 5* recruits signed for the 2017 class, signed their LOIs just a game or so into UCLA's season. I'm looking for an example where a program was mostly mired in mediocrity (like us), then a one-and-done came for one year, and the program remained elevated (winning and recruiting) after he was gone. Again, I do not dispute that Zion is a take all day long and could give us one really good year. I just don't see any track record anywhere of a one-and-done having a long-term effect on changing the fortunes of a program |
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#365 | |
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These one and dones are mostly going to the already established programs like Duke, Kentucky, UNC, Arizona etc. It sure as hell didn't help NC State or Washington this year and those 2 guys are top 5 picks. |
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#366 | |
2nd Team All-SEC
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But I agree with you that for a player like Zion the benefit is marginal. I also agree that an isolated "one & done" is probably not a huge benefit to SC. Those other schools have a long history. It also won't hurt us to have a player like that from time to time, but I'd prefer to have a few more Thornwells and Dozier types. It is more fun for fans (and probably coaches) to know they will have a guy for more than 1 year.
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#367 | |
Hot Up In The Met
Male Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Columbia
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Frank is a great coach, but I think the only thing that keeps him from being considered by more recruits, is that there isn't a proven track record of NBA talent, as much as there are good college teams/players. You look at the women's program, and Dawn is really starting to crank out WNBA-caliber talent. |
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#368 |
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![]() At the end of the day teams with NBA talent win titles.
Yea UNC didn't have a team dominated by one and dones this year, but 5-6 of those players will be in the NBA next year. Same could be said for NOVA last year, Duke the year before, Louisville, Kentucky etc |
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#369 |
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![]() Word is Xavier Thomas is in Zion's ear.
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#370 |
Recruit
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#371 |
1st Team All-American
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Location: Mt. Pleasant
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![]() Saying what? Go to Clemson? Their program is a disaster and they just had their only star graduate. Their coach is on thin ice and might not be around when Zion gets to college. If he has reservations about us due to our lack of success, well.....
Maybe XT is trashing us but I hope he is better than that. Or he could be pointing out that Zion can get a nice car if he goes to Clemson. But Zion will be one year away from the NBA - I am sure he could get a loan and buy his own damn car. |
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#372 |
1st Team All-SEC
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Location: Charleston
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![]() Football is one thing Clemson has over us right now but basketball....nah son....Zion ain't gonna waste his God given talent on those unappreciative hicks who don't give two shits about basketball.
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#373 | |
Blue Chip
Male Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Auburn, AL
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#374 | |
Buckle up, BOOM Comin'
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Beasley and Bill Walker were Huggins recruits. Huggins got it started and Martin took off from there. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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#375 | |
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Beasleys AAU coach came to K state and hats how they got him. Beasley was originally committed to UNCC because of that guy. I love Frank but let's Be correct here |
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#376 |
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![]() I hope Clemson keeps brownell.
I really don't want them hiring someone good like Tom Crean |
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#377 |
1st Team All-American
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Location: columbia sc
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![]() This is true Bob Huggins hired the guy the year before Frank was there. Most do believe the reason Martin got the job was because the continuity of the staff and that assistant coach would allow them to keep Beasley. Beasley was used by many and didn't even know it. He sued an agent that paid for his moms rent and car which he didn't know about as well the as the aau team founder who was also a coach. That aau founder was sentenced to prison for 8+ yeas for major cocaine and heroin dealing.
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#378 | |
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Seeing as how he is in the NBA. Frank is a ****ing saint for being able to put up with his bullshit. |
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#379 |
4th Team Bench
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#380 |
Blue Chip
Male Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Auburn, AL
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![]() Um, I wasn't giving Frank credit for recruiting Beasley. I was giving Frank more credit than Beasley for ushering in a great era of Kansas State basketball, since the issue was whether one blue chip recruit elevated and sustained a program. Just to, you know, be correct here.
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