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Old 04-04-2017, 05:38 PM   #21
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Certainly LSU is the gold standard of the last 20 years. And even they don't make it every year.

All-time I'd say SoCal, Miami, Stanford, LSU off the top of my head.
USC has the same amount as Stanford actually.


SoCal is in a league or their own. They are the Bama version of college baseball with 12 titles.

The 2nd highest is only half of that and that is LSU which won 5 of their 6 within a 10 year dominant period. Texas is also tied with LSU at 6, but several of theirs are from farther back than LSU's..... kind of like a fair amount of those SoCal Titles.

Arizona and Arizona State can't be forgotten.... one has 5 titles, the other has 4.

Believe it or not, Miami only has 4, which ties them with Cal State Fullerton and Arizona for 5th most.

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Oh I agree with your assessment. Those were just the ones I could immediately think of, after a very LONG day at work. LOL
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Oh I agree with your assessment. Those were just the ones I could immediately think of, after a very LONG day at work. LOL
Kind of surprised that according to that list, Long Beach State doesn't have any.

I knew the 2 Arizona schools were very successful and it's hard to forget Texas and Augie.
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I remember when everyone was calling for Calvi's firing prior to the 2010 post season. But Myers just does not seem to be able for some reason to read when his pitchers need to come out of the game and sometimes his pitch calls are questionable. The pitch selection at the end of the tater game sticks in my mind.
But if Johnson comes back and pitches the way he did last year so we can use Josh as the set-up guy similar to the way we did with Price and Taylor we have a chance to win a lot more games than we lose in spite of what we think of the coaching staff.
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Stats can be made or used to say what you want them to say though. The answer to lowering Reagan's percentage is to give up a lot more base hits? Thats shooting your nose to spit your face.

Personally, I just wish fans would let this season play out and go from there. We all know that one or two games in a long season mean very little. If we have a somewhat bad season and Holbrook refuses to start making some changes, then I will happily join the fire Holbrook crowd, but I'm not there yet.
Think you missed my point throughout the thread. First, Jerry calls most of the shots when it comes to pitching. Second he, the starter of the thread asked about homers...so I gave stats. You use them how you will. He has been a bit feast or famine this year. 4 homers, 1 double, rest singles. It's a long season and I believe in Holbrook honestly.

You also make the point people were at one time calling for Ray's head. So very true...in fact the year before we won the NC people were. Holbrook has won and done well. I for one am not concerned, and think he will do just fine.

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Like you, I've also followed them for a long time now. We definitely had some bad seasons in our past.

My beliefs in what we should expect are as follows:
- make a Regional EVER year.
- host the Regional 3 out of every 4 years
- make a Super Regional 2 out of every 4 years
- make the CWS 1 out of every 4 years.

To me that is realistic for an elite program like USC. Honestly, at this stage of the game I wouldn't really put any other college baseball programs ahead of ours. Yes, if you go by all time titles or wins there are numerous that are way ahead of us, but if you go by past 20 years it would be hard to find many that are much more successful than USC has been.
I've been around a while as well. I can agree with your expectations. I'll add that 2 out of every 4 years we should at least be in the conversation for a top 8 seed. Most years I just want to make (hopefully host) a regional and see what happens. If we host the regional I expect to win it. If you get hot at the right time you can run it all the way.
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Like you, I've also followed them for a long time now. We definitely had some bad seasons in our past.

My beliefs in what we should expect are as follows:
- make a Regional EVER year.
- host the Regional 3 out of every 4 years
- make a Super Regional 2 out of every 4 years
- make the CWS 1 out of every 4 years.

To me that is realistic for an elite program like USC. Honestly, at this stage of the game I wouldn't really put any other college baseball programs ahead of ours. Yes, if you go by all time titles or wins there are numerous that are way ahead of us, but if you go by past 20 years it would be hard to find many that are much more successful than USC has been.
I disagree. We should be in a super every year. That is the expectation, whether we host or not or win or lose. Anything less is a disappointment and has always been considered a disappointment.
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Certainly LSU is the gold standard of the last 20 years. And even they don't make it every year.

All-time I'd say SoCal, Miami, Stanford, LSU off the top of my head.
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I disagree. We should be in a super every year. That is the expectation, whether we host or not or win or lose. Anything less is a disappointment and has always been considered a disappointment.
I had no idea that I was disappointed we didn't play in a Super Regional in 1975, 1977, 1981, 1982, and 1985. Now I am depressed. So when you refer to "always" in terms of Gamecock baseball you are referring to 1999-Present. Ray Tanner made Supers in 10 of 14 seasons (71%). Chad has made Supers in 2 of 4 seasons (50%). What program is your expectation based on?
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I don't expect a super regional every year, but I do expect a regional every year.
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A lot of our fans have very selective memory when it comes to Ray Tanner. It's hard for them to look back prior to 2009 when some fans were calling for his head and he blew some games.



We gave Tanner the time needed to get it right and just because our fans are now spoiled doesn't mean we should fire a good coach because we feel we are owed the CWS every season.


Who gets to judge how good a coach he is? He is a good recruiter. Coach, well that's another story.


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I disagree. We should be in a super every year. That is the expectation, whether we host or not or win or lose. Anything less is a disappointment and has always been considered a disappointment.
Just because YOU say it doesn't mean it's true.


Good thing your expectations aren't that of the majority or we would be switching coaches every 3-5 seasons and would never be any good.
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I remember when everyone was calling for Calvi's firing prior to the 2010 post season. But Myers just does not seem to be able for some reason to read when his pitchers need to come out of the game and sometimes his pitch calls are questionable. The pitch selection at the end of the tater game sticks in my mind.
But if Johnson comes back and pitches the way he did last year so we can use Josh as the set-up guy similar to the way we did with Price and Taylor we have a chance to win a lot more games than we lose in spite of what we think of the coaching staff.
This. Meyers could not make that determination in his first stint as a Carolina pitching coach either. The first year back, he stuck with Calvi's method of using multiple pitchers per inning for match-up purposes. Since then, he has gone back to over extending pitchers and playing favorites (see the Murray appearances).
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This. Meyers could not make that determination in his first stint as a Carolina pitching coach either. The first year back, he stuck with Calvi's method of using multiple pitchers per inning for match-up purposes. Since then, he has gone back to over extending pitchers and playing favorites (see the Murray appearances).
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I disagree. We should be in a super every year. That is the expectation, whether we host or not or win or lose. Anything less is a disappointment and has always been considered a disappointment.
To expect us to be in the super's every year is unreasonable. I'd say 65% for a good program.
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Good thing your expectations aren't that of the majority or we would be switching coaches every 3-5 seasons and would never be any good
FYI to one of the posters above, I am speaking about the program from 1999-on.

I think some are misunderstanding me when I say Supers are the expectation. Just because that is the bar, doesn't mean we'll be there every year. If you disagree with this, are you saying just making the playoffs are the expectation? Because that's the next step down. Do you think that is on par with LSU's expectations? Vandy? Florida?

Over a 10 year period, I don't expect us to make the Supers 100% of the time. That's not realistic. I'm talking about on a year to year basis. Yes, with our program, I consider a season to be disappointing if we don't make the Supers. Will it happen every year, no. Tanner losing to NC State and ECU in regionals was disappointing at the time. Holbrook losing at home to Maryland and not making the playoffs altogether another year were disappointing at the time. They were disappointing because we expected to go farther. That being said, you can still have a successful tenure, as Tanner did, without making the Supers every year.

Please do not quote my post and tell me I shouldn't expect a team to go to the supers 100% of the time in a 10 year period. I don't know what the right percentage is. I'm talking year to year folks.
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FYI to one of the posters above, I am speaking about the program from 1999-on.

I think some are misunderstanding me when I say Supers are the expectation. Just because that is the bar, doesn't mean we'll be there every year. If you disagree with this, are you saying just making the playoffs are the expectation? Because that's the next step down. Do you think that is on par with LSU's expectations? Vandy? Florida?

Over a 10 year period, I don't expect us to make the Supers 100% of the time. That's not realistic. I'm talking about on a year to year basis. Yes, with our program, I consider a season to be disappointing if we don't make the Supers. Will it happen every year, no. Tanner losing to NC State and ECU in regionals was disappointing at the time. Holbrook losing at home to Maryland and not making the playoffs altogether another year were disappointing at the time. They were disappointing because we expected to go farther. That being said, you can still have a successful tenure, as Tanner did, without making the Supers every year.

Please do not quote my post and tell me I shouldn't expect a team to go to the supers 100% of the time in a 10 year period. I don't know what the right percentage is. I'm talking year to year folks.
Reasonable post.

Whether you look at it 10 years out or go year to year though, you can't automatically expect to go to the Supers. Injuries, players going pro, etc., have a lot to do with it. Yes, those things would be a disappointment.

I was disappointed when we didn't win that 3rd straight title.....

I was disappointed when our men's basketball team didn't win the National Championship. ....


Is it fair of me to expect or even demand a National Title every year though?

We are all fans that absolutely abhor losing. If we went 55-1 this regular season we would wonder why we lost that one game to an inferior opponent.

Remember the season that we went 25-5 in the SEC and everyone couldn't believe it? It was a record people claimed would never be broken....... yeah, that record didn't actually last very long.

Year by year our expectations have to be based on what we currently have on the team. Did we lose too many to the pros unexpectedly? Are we a very young team? A lot plays into my expectations for our team. Every year isn't the same and IMHO cannot be treated the same.

Another thing to consider is how good other teams in conference are that we have to play. Maybe we have a solid ballclub, but the SEC is even better than normal.

My point here is that sometimes our best teams will underachieve based on our expectations and sometimes our team will overachieve. Does anyone really think that 2010 is our absolute best program of alltime? IMO we have had many that were at least equal to that team, if not better.
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