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Old 12-15-2016, 07:57 AM   #21
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so you arent a fan of the guys frank has brought in?
It's frustrating when we can't get some big time players from the state. And yes I am well aware of who we are up against but still..
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Old 12-15-2016, 09:09 AM   #22
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Chicken/egg thing. We can't get top in-state kids because we don't have recent history of success. And we don't have recent history of success because we don't get the top in-state kids.

Despite that, Frank has steadily improved year to year. If we can get to the dance and make some noise, we will get longer looks. No reason that we can't make it an annual deal - I love what Frank is doing with his young bigs this year and more bigs are on the way for next year. Inside strength plus strong guard play = NCAA success.
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Old 12-17-2016, 10:04 AM   #23
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Had a dunk at #1 on ESPN top ten highlights last night. Alley Opp with a windmill. Nasty
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What are our chances with this kid...absolute insane dunk
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Old 12-17-2016, 02:39 PM   #25
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What are our chances with this kid...absolute insane dunk

Not good at all. UNC all the way....
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Old 12-17-2016, 02:41 PM   #26
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Not good at all. UNC all the way....
I think you mean Duke. He grew up a Blue Devils fan.
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Old 12-21-2016, 12:49 PM   #27
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After everything I've been seeing recently he's definitely a one and done. WOW, the next LeBron James.
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Old 12-21-2016, 01:22 PM   #28
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I was able to watch his Chick-Fil-A tourney game last night on one of my streaming channels . He scored 53 in a win over Gray Collegiate . It was like watching the Globetrotters vs the Washington Generals when Williamson had the ball .
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Old 12-21-2016, 02:42 PM   #29
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All the news out of the Chic basketball tourney is Zion is the best player in the tourney. Period, and he is only 16...??
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Old 12-21-2016, 04:47 PM   #30
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All the news out of the Chic basketball tourney is Zion is the best player in the tourney. Period, and he is only 16...??
If he is one and done anyway, might as well come here and elevate the program to new heights. At Duke or UK, he would be one of many former stars from out of town - here, he would be the man.

And if his family stay in town, they would be celebs in their own right - look, it is Zion's Mom and Dad! Not so much in Durham or Lexington.
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Old 12-21-2016, 04:52 PM   #31
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If he is one and done anyway, might as well come here and elevate the program to new heights. At Duke or UK, he would be one of many former stars from out of town - here, he would be the man.

And if his family stay in town, they would be celebs in their own right - look, it is Zion's Mom and Dad! Not so much in Durham or Lexington.
Not gonna happen.
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Old 12-21-2016, 05:24 PM   #32
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If he is one and done anyway, might as well come here and elevate the program to new heights. At Duke or UK, he would be one of many former stars from out of town - here, he would be the man.

And if his family stay in town, they would be celebs in their own right - look, it is Zion's Mom and Dad! Not so much in Durham or Lexington.
The other train of thought is go to a place with a pedigree of producing stars in the NBA AND gives you a really good chance at a National Championship. Just depends where the priorities are, since he didn't grow up a Gamecock fan the odds of him coming here are insanely low and by insanely low I mean they don't exist.
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Old 12-22-2016, 08:42 AM   #33
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I was able to watch his Chick-Fil-A tourney game last night on one of my streaming channels . He scored 53 in a win over Gray Collegiate . It was like watching the Globetrotters vs the Washington Generals when Williamson had the ball .
Even more impressive when you consider that Gray Collegiate has a few players that will be playing D1 basketball.
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The other train of thought is go to a place with a pedigree of producing stars in the NBA AND gives you a really good chance at a National Championship. Just depends where the priorities are, since he didn't grow up a Gamecock fan the odds of him coming here are insanely low and by insanely low I mean they don't exist.
We don't produce NBA players because we don't get NBA-level talent. We might have an easier path to the pros than a Duke or UK because you can play from Day One if you have talent.

PJ Dozier is an exception and he is developing nicely, could be a first rounder this year or a lottery pick this year. I think Thornwell gets drafted this year as well.

Not a great track record, but it is a start that we can sell to people like Zion.

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The only way I see Gamecocks getting Williamson is if Dozier stayed through he Senior year. What an AWESOME 2018-19 team that would be led by SR Dozier & FR Williamson!!!

However, I see no way Dozier stays through his Senior year. He is likely gone after this year.
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We don't produce NBA players because we don't get NBA-level talent. We might have an easier path to the pros than a Duke or UK because you can play from Day One if you have talent.

PJ Dozier is an exception and he is developing nicely, could be a first rounder this year or a lottery pick this year. I think Thornwell gets drafted this year as well.

Not a great track record, but it is a start that we can sell to people like Zion.
You can try to sell it but because he didn't grow up a Gamecock fan and grew up a fan of Duke, who has historically put players in the NBA, we have basically zero chance here. If he doesn't go to Duke it will be to another blue blood program.
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We probably have no shot, just like on the court, cause you have to be a big time program to get him, but how do you build a big time program without players like him. Uh, grey area, like all have done in the past. Duke got started somehow or way.

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The only way I see Gamecocks getting Williamson is if Dozier stayed through he Senior year. What an AWESOME 2018-19 team that would be led by SR Dozier & FR Williamson!!!

However, I see no way Dozier stays through his Senior year. He is likely gone after this year.
I see it the other way - if Dozier is good enough to go pro after his Junior year (I think he needs to wait and put on weight) and is a lottery pick, it proves we can send players (and a local player at that) to the pros and it frees up Williamson to come in and be the man.

What we really need is some NCAA success and good returning talent to play with Williamson. I like the way that Martin is recruiting bigs - we will have two 7 footers and four guys around 6'9", so lots of inside strength to go with Zion at SF/SG. Guards are a little unknown, but Beatty is promising and Felder looks good for a Freshman.

If he can come into a situation where he can do well in the Big Dance in his only year and still be at home.....
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We're behind a NC school for a 5 star recruit in our own state. Where have I heard this story before?
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We're behind a NC school for a 5 star recruit in our own state. Where have I heard this story before?
I feel like you're being a smartass. That is like UNC in football losing out on a 5 star recruit to an out of state school. In basketball we are very similar to NC in football. We'll only change that years down the road after having success.
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