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Old 04-26-2017, 07:31 PM   #261
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Old 04-26-2017, 08:48 PM   #262
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Default Re: Do we lose Dozier next year?

Here is a math problem:

There are 30 NBA teams
There are 2 rounds in the NBA draft
That makes 60 available draft picks in the draft

There are 137 Underclassmen who have declared for the draft
47 have hired an agent.
This number does not include foreign players who will be drafted
This number does not include Seniors who will be drafted

Someone has been getting some bad information
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Old 04-26-2017, 08:58 PM   #263
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Here is a math problem:

There are 30 NBA teams
There are 2 rounds in the NBA draft
That makes 60 available draft picks in the draft

There are 137 Underclassmen who have declared for the draft
47 have hired an agent.
This number does not include foreign players who will be drafted
This number does not include Seniors who will be drafted

Someone has been getting some bad information
I wonder how many of those undergrads probably can't return to college because they're not in good academic standing
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Old 04-26-2017, 09:58 PM   #264
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The ones who hired an agent that don't get drafted can still play overseas and make pretty good money.
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The ones who hired an agent that don't get drafted can still play overseas and make pretty good money.
I don't think you can go into the draft without an agent.
So eventually if they stay in they'll all have agents
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Old 04-27-2017, 03:42 AM   #266
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i dont think youre required to have an agent, it just makes sense to have one. as far as the 47 underclassmen who have agents, there is no solution because the system is set up now for guys to go to the combine and come back if their stock drops and it certainly will for some of those guys. some guys just may be ready to move on regardless of what happens at the combine and there is good money to be made overseas.
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Yeah unless things have changed(they change the rules too often to keep up) an agent isn't required to enter the draft. But if you're serious about maximizing your stock and getting noticed by teams then an agent is definitely the way to go. In Dozier's case an agent likely means the difference between 1st and 2nd round potentially and a sizeable pay difference.

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Old 04-27-2017, 08:20 AM   #268
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Nba point guards have to kill it fron the field..
I like Dozier and his family - but while I see that he is reportedly gone, I can't see him making a roster. He's a guard that can't consistently shoot from outside of 10' and he can't make free throws as well as some 5th graders. His real strength is driving the basket and he's a bit loose with the ball at times.

I think it's a mistake to go early, because I think he will get picked somewhere in the 2nd-3rd rounds but he'll end up playing in Europe. Nothing wrong with that, but he'd have to improve his game to a much more well-rounded player to make an NBA roster.

I too think he should play one more year, but I get it - the money is calling...and Europe is paying plenty these days.
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Old 04-27-2017, 08:21 AM   #269
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You also have to officially remove your name from the draft, if I am not mistaken. If it is left in, you have to turn pro whether they want you or not.
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Old 04-27-2017, 09:19 AM   #270
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I like Dozier and his family - but while I see that he is reportedly gone, I can't see him making a roster. He's a guard that can't consistently shoot from outside of 10' and he can't make free throws as well as some 5th graders. His real strength is driving the basket and he's a bit loose with the ball at times.

I think it's a mistake to go early, because I think he will get picked somewhere in the 2nd-3rd rounds but he'll end up playing in Europe. Nothing wrong with that, but he'd have to improve his game to a much more well-rounded player to make an NBA roster.

I too think he should play one more year, but I get it - the money is calling...and Europe is paying plenty these days.

Considering there are only two rounds I don't think he will get drafted in the 3rd but nice try though. He is projected as a first round pick and the NBA drafts on potential and pj is 6'6 pg who plays defense, his floor is Michael carter-Williams who is a role player in the league and I think his ceiling could be an all-star if he works on his shot. There are plenty of things Pj needs to work on but he can do that in the NBA or g-league and be paid for it.


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Old 04-27-2017, 11:09 AM   #271
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I still don't know what changed his mind to hire an agent. He could still have gone through the process without doing that.
I don't have any insider information, but my assumption is connections. Sure, PJ could've waited and hired an agent after he was drafted, but having an advocate before hand would seem logical. PJ doesn't necessarily have the contacts inside organizations that an agent would.

And I have a hard time when looking at rookie salary structures, but best I can tell, changing your draft stock by 5 places or so can net you a pretty decent cash change.
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Old 04-27-2017, 08:03 PM   #272
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Here is a math problem:

There are 30 NBA teams
There are 2 rounds in the NBA draft
That makes 60 available draft picks in the draft

There are 137 Underclassmen who have declared for the draft
47 have hired an agent.
This number does not include foreign players who will be drafted
This number does not include Seniors who will be drafted

Someone has been getting some bad information
Happens every year. Keep in mind that the combine hasn't even started, so the underclassmen who stayed in are doing so based on a gut feeling and not inside information.

Kids want to live the lifestyle, they want to live their dream, and they want to support their families. I just imagine a lot of underclassmen thinking like Chris Webber at Michigan sometimes.
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Would love to see a complete listing of players that declared early for the draft and where they ended up being drafted.
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I still don't know what changed his mind to hire an agent. He could still have gone through the process without doing that.
-He's healthy
-He's coming off a strong tournament run
-He wants to live his dream

As an outsider, I think he should've returned to boost his stock, but I have no issue with him leaving. Also, consider that he tore his ACL in high school and while the odds are against that happening again, you never know what can happen.
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Here is a math problem:

There are 30 NBA teams
There are 2 rounds in the NBA draft
That makes 60 available draft picks in the draft

There are 137 Underclassmen who have declared for the draft
47 have hired an agent.
This number does not include foreign players who will be drafted
This number does not include Seniors who will be drafted

Someone has been getting some bad information

This article might help explain why so many players are jumping ship

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/news/d-...184533832.html
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I hope he's hitting the weights everyday.
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PJ will be an excellent NBA player. His FT shooting needs to improve, and I'd love to see his explosiveness take another step, but the kids got all the tools and the intangibles. I'm looking forward to seeing who will fill his shoes at USC.
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