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Old 02-08-2018, 03:25 PM   #21
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Famouke Doumbia came in late due to eligibility issues, but he has talent. And for the people that worry about our athletic ability compared to other SEC teams, he is very athletic.

Same with Beatty. Frank's guards always make the biggest jump between their Freshman and Sophomore years. Which is why Frank is still getting him minutes even with him struggling - he sees potential and PT will help him get there faster.

That would leave Gueye as the likeliest "guy", but he was always going to take 2-3 years to develop and he is starting to show glimpses of being a legit big man.

Frank is still recruiting, so that means something. If we sign a big, that means that Gueye or Silva (NBA) are gone. If it is a Guard, then something else is going on. Felder checks the PG box, but we need a back-up - it could be Gravett, Holden or Couisnard. I don't see Beatty at PG.
A lot of time the players that play the least are the ones that leave. Doumbia rarely plays at all. I wouldn't be surprised to see him leave.
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A lot of time the players that play the least are the ones that leave. Doumbia rarely plays at all. I wouldn't be surprised to see him leave.
Yes, but I am not sure that talent is the problem. Frank's system takes time to learn and he barely enrolled in time for the Fall Semester - he is behind everyone else on the team.
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Yes, but I am not sure that talent is the problem. Frank's system takes time to learn and he barely enrolled in time for the Fall Semester - he is behind everyone else on the team.
Talent is most defiantly the problem.
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Old 02-08-2018, 07:03 PM   #24
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Talent is most defiantly the problem.
Well not having enough talent to do what Frank tells them can come across as defiant we are seeing that this year.
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Old 02-08-2018, 10:58 PM   #25
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Talent is most defiantly the problem.
I am talking about Famouke Doumbia specifically. Have you seen him play enough to say he does not have enough talent? He moves well, just does not know what to do or how to play Frank's D.

And calm down - no need to be defiant.
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Old 02-08-2018, 11:54 PM   #26
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Talent is most defiantly the problem.
I'm so torn about what I think you're trying to say here.
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Old 02-09-2018, 12:27 AM   #27
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If everyone who can come back will come back, it will help the team next year. Its very hard to play more than ten guys very much, which means if you have 13 on scholarship, about three of them won't play much. What matters is who the top nine or ten guys are because they are going to play the most.

But, every college player wants to play, and if he isn't playing at one school, he is likely to try his luck at another school. I don't know the minds of our current players, but since we have had someone leave every year Frank has been here, it seems likely we will have someone leave off this team.
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Old 02-12-2018, 09:41 AM   #28
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Frank has just not recruited at a high enough level with consistency. I think Chuck Martin will help with that over the next few years.
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Old 02-12-2018, 10:01 AM   #29
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People need to also realize that sometimes breaks go the other way. It is not bad recruiting or bad coaching, it is just bad breaks.

On the Women's side, Spann is out for the year now to go with BCM, and Te'a Cooper got screwed over by UT. We are down to one PG and 9 players.

Then you have PJ leaving, Rah's suspension, Holden's knee - which not only killed our PG position and overall quality of Guard play, it took away a lot of the experience that is critical for a Frank Martin team. PJ would have given us a second 3rd year player (along with Silva), Rah was poised for the jump that Guards get in the second year under Martin, and Holden was the only transfer that already had a year with the team. And remember that Holden was injured twice, in a mirror image of Deebo's injuries - his knee was followed by a hammy, as opposed to Deebo finally getting his hammy under control then having a broken bone.

It happens. We would have been a lot better with Deebo and Rico on Offense last year. Remember that Rico was a double injury as well - he was just getting over his first injury when the bone thing happened.

You just need to have depth and hope that players stay healthy - and sometime they don't.
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I am talking about Famouke Doumbia specifically. Have you seen him play enough to say he does not have enough talent? He moves well, just does not know what to do or how to play Frank's D.

And calm down - no need to be defiant.
Perhaps, just maybe, if we had anything close to what you could call an offense, we wouldn't have to stress defense so much.
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Old 02-12-2018, 04:02 PM   #31
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Perhaps, just maybe, if we had anything close to what you could call an offense, we wouldn't have to stress defense so much.
Has nothing to do with the offense. We're just not as athletic at the guard spot and lack the on-ball skills, especially at PG. Our offense certainly wasn't a world beater last season and our D was top notch, it's personnel not offense.
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It's personnel, not offense.
It's obvious to anyone who has even a passing knowledge of the game. We had the same offense last year but run by those with a superior skill set indoctrinated by four years in the same system. As juniors and seniors, their success was unparallelled.
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Old 02-12-2018, 08:12 PM   #33
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Perhaps, just maybe, if we had anything close to what you could call an offense, we wouldn't have to stress defense so much.
I get your point and agree, but Frank's teams always play rugged defense and pound the boards. He recruits players that do those things, sometimes at the expense of the Offense.

I would like Frank to recruit a few Offense first shooters, but they are not going to play for Frank unless they play D.
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I really think the thought that PJ Dozier would leave early was never a thought in anyones head, even ours as fans. And that whole thing was compounded by Rah Felder's problems. Even with just average point guard game this team has two or three more wins. With Felder or PJ running point its probably a tournament team because they were good enough to take the pressure off of the other offensive guys.

Beatty wasnt brought in to start he was brought in to spell those two guys and learn the game as a freshman but he was tossed into the starting lineup. And i honestly dont think Asani Gravett was brought in to be anything more than a role player.
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Anyone think Andy Kennedy would come here as an assistant? As much as I hate him, he's a decent recruiter, beat us head to head for local guys several times
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Maybe if there was an opening. But there isn't one at the moment.
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Any word on Brian Bowens and if there are any predictions on the NBA draft boards? I hope he stays and eventually gets approved by the NCAA to play. The lure of that new league, G-League or overseas may seem tempting to him because of the uncertainty of the NCAA. Him being cleared would greatly improve our team.
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