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Old 01-08-2018, 06:21 PM   #21
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Well of course it is, but why and how would he say so in his introductory press conference?

Josh Kendall is an idiot.
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Any Coordinator hire is a gamble. Muschamp has a reputation for not gambling correctly on his OC hires. Turns out Kendal Briles, (an OC with 2 Top10 Scoring Offenses the past 3 years) was on the market for a new OC gig, he went to Houston. Muschamp chose McClensdon. It was absolutely a gamble, we'll see if it pays off. If next season, we aren't above AVG for Scoring and Total Offense, then the gamble failed, IMO.

Briles was abe to take an FAU offense that was ranked 80thNationally Rankied in '16 to 8th in '17 for Scoring Offense.
And the only gamble there was that the culture of rape and violence against women he helped cultivate at Baylor didn't follow him to FAU and another couple dozen females were either raped or beaten by one of his recruits...without consequence. While Briles was at Baylor there were 52 different reported cases of rape/sexual assault/violence against women. Baylor Officials have admitted to 17 different rapes/sexual assaults by 19 different players...included 4 different gang rapes.

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He has called one game in his career. Fact.

Scared that Muschamp dominated the introductory presser and said we weren't changing that much on offense and McClendon citing Bobo and Shotty, and worst of all Muschamp as coaches with big influence on his offensive philosophy. McClendon even deferred to him on whether he would be in the booth or on the sideline.
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Not to derail the thread, but that drunk girl had it coming when she grabbed him and threw a sloppy punch at his face. Not trying to condone hitting a girl but also can't condone this "women are equal to men in every way and yet entitled to be aggressive towards dudes whenever they want bc public perception says so" thing. She instigated the incident by raising her fist and getting pissed that he was trying to get to the bar and order a drink in a crowded bar. The punch was the last straw. There are abusive women in this world just as there are abusive men. I've been in a relationship with someone that thought they were entitled to that dumb shit because of her genitalia.
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I guess we will see next year if thatís the case. If that was the entire problem then we should be a top 25 O next year with our talent.
Skill and QB talent I agree with you. OL needs to be above average for us to put up those stats those. I don't think it's unattainable but it requires a significant step forward by that unit.
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I said all hirings are gambles it’s just how much. T Rob wasn’t a huge risk since the HC would be there to run the D if he failed. This is a massive gamble seeing as he has ne we been around a top 10 O and has said he plans to keep running the same O ranked 108. Also the idea that the QB coach is mentoring the OC is comical. If he is guiding the OC than why is he not the OC? All in all, I hope it works out but the odds are against it.
Muschamp: “I called Nick [Saban], and there’s nobody I have more respect for and his opinion. And he said how much Dan has helped their offense this year with, schematically, some things that are very similar to what we do, which excited me....”

McClendon: “He can say, ‘I see what you’re seeing. You might want to try it a different way, because I tried it like this and it didn’t turn out so well.’ It can just kind of help you though some different things. I am really, really excited about working with the guy. The guy that’s done it at such a high level. He’s led the conference in pretty much every statistical category you can as a play-caller. He’s just a good person. He’s values the right things.... So when you have a guy who kind of prioritizes all the right stuff and has the offensive knowledge that he has, I think it’s a win-win.

Ben Breiner (The State): “New South Carolina quarterbacks coach Dan Werner provides something important for new Gamecocks offensive coordinator Bryan McClendon. A sounding board. No, Werner and McClendon don’t have much of an in-depth history. McClendon admitted he hadn’t sat down with Werner until a recent visit in Columbia. But McClendon saw how former Georgia offensive coordinator Mike Bobo used Mark Richt and how USC defensive coordinator Travaris Robinson bounces things off Will Muschamp."

The point is that everyone is suggesting that BMac is going to be more open to input from his position coaches than Roper was, which seems to have been a problem, and that many of us think he will benefit from Werner's experience. One key point (as LegalCock alludes to) is how he balances that input with being assertive enough.

As for why Werner wasn't selected as OC and why he would take the QB position, there were a number of Cockytalkers who did want him to be considered. Champ wanted BMac and may well have not wanted to risk losing him. That argument has been hashed out elsewhere. In the meantime, getting Werner as a QB coach is (in my mind) a steal. Why would he take it? He was in an off field analyst position at Bama and this gets him back to doing what I presume he likes to do. How many OC positions are out there this year for a guy pushing 60? At a high profile school? So, he gets to come to another SEC school (one that is showing improvement, too) as a position coach and work for a well-liked Head Coach and a well-liked up-and-coming OC. It's really not that hard to understand.
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who is josh kendall? is this Ron Morris's replacement? USC should quit inviting the state to their news conferences if they are just going to constantly put out negative pieces.
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Muschamp: ďI called Nick [Saban], and thereís nobody I have more respect for and his opinion. And he said how much Dan has helped their offense this year with, schematically, some things that are very similar to what we do, which excited me....Ē

McClendon: ďHe can say, ĎI see what youíre seeing. You might want to try it a different way, because I tried it like this and it didnít turn out so well.í It can just kind of help you though some different things. I am really, really excited about working with the guy. The guy thatís done it at such a high level. Heís led the conference in pretty much every statistical category you can as a play-caller. Heís just a good person. Heís values the right things.... So when you have a guy who kind of prioritizes all the right stuff and has the offensive knowledge that he has, I think itís a win-win.

Ben Breiner (The State): ďNew South Carolina quarterbacks coach Dan Werner provides something important for new Gamecocks offensive coordinator Bryan McClendon. A sounding board. No, Werner and McClendon donít have much of an in-depth history. McClendon admitted he hadnít sat down with Werner until a recent visit in Columbia. But McClendon saw how former Georgia offensive coordinator Mike Bobo used Mark Richt and how USC defensive coordinator Travaris Robinson bounces things off Will Muschamp."

The point is that everyone is suggesting that BMac is going to be more open to input from his position coaches than Roper was, which seems to have been a problem, and that many of us think he will benefit from Werner's experience. One key point (as LegalCock alludes to) is how he balances that input with being assertive enough.

As for why Werner wasn't selected as OC and why he would take the QB position, there were a number of Cockytalkers who did want him to be considered. Champ wanted BMac and may well have not wanted to risk losing him. That argument has been hashed out elsewhere. In the meantime, getting Werner as a QB coach is (in my mind) a steal. Why would he take it? He was in an off field analyst position at Bama and this gets him back to doing what I presume he likes to do. How many OC positions are out there this year for a guy pushing 60? At a high profile school? So, he gets to come to another SEC school (one that is showing improvement, too) as a position coach and work for a well-liked Head Coach and a well-liked up-and-coming OC. It's really not that hard to understand.
You missed my point completely. I never once asked why Werner wanted to come here. My point was that those who think Werner is going to have this mentoring role and basically teach BMac to be an OC makes zero sense. Being a sounding board and being a mentor is not the same. An OC, DC and HC mentor position coaches at their job not the reverse. If your QB coach is teaching the OC how to run an O than thatís a bad structure. Giving suggestions like he did at Bama and teaching someone like some think he will do at USC are very different. I think Werner will be a very good pick up but he will not be the defacto mentor that many have alluded to.

We arenít really disagreeing. Iím more talking about those who think BMac is getting an apprenticeship from Werner is incorrect.
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Not to derail the thread, but that drunk girl had it coming when she grabbed him and threw a sloppy punch at his face. Not trying to condone hitting a girl but also can't condone this "women are equal to men in every way and yet entitled to be aggressive towards dudes whenever they want bc public perception says so" thing. She instigated the incident by raising her fist and getting pissed that he was trying to get to the bar and order a drink in a crowded bar. The punch was the last straw. There are abusive women in this world just as there are abusive men. I've been in a relationship with someone that thought they were entitled to that dumb shit because of her genitalia.
Yeah, don't raise your fist and be aggressive with someone then think they won't check you on that shit.
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Guys, There is no way this is a gamble to me. If you bring in Werner by himself, every reporter is saying it is great. Now you add McClendon to Werner and you get the best of both worlds. Up and comer with the respect of players and an established offensive mind with a great resume. Similar to what we have on defense with T-rob and Muschamp. Look how well that has worked on that side of the ball.
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Neither, I think they should throw Kendall under the stadium . Matches his journalistic slant in reporting . Guess he will have the Purina hang over the remainder of the season. So will moo u.

Sorry I digress , who cares what he writes for the Mistate? Not me.
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Guys, There is no way this is a gamble to me. If you bring in Werner by himself, every reporter is saying it is great. Now you add McClendon to Werner and you get the best of both worlds. Up and comer with the respect of players and an established offensive mind with a great resume. Similar to what we have on defense with T-rob and Muschamp. Look how well that has worked on that side of the ball.
But Werner an experience OC isnít calling plays. This is a backwards situation with position coach teaching OC how to run O, if you believe that narrative.
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Plenty of "safe" hires end up tanking and plenty of "risky" hires end up being home runs. Every hire is a gamble. I mean if you just need to look at Clemson, Morris was a huge gamble at the time just like hiring internally to replace him. Same can be said about Venables who was being run off from OU, now we pray he leaves. TRob was a gamble hire since he hadn't been a DC before, he's about to be making 7 figures. I kind of like the "risky" hire usually because the coach getting the job is extremely hungry.
You could even take it a step further with Clemson. Just look at the hiring of Dabo as head coach. That's a big jump from position coach to head coach. No coordinator experience and that gamble seems to be paying off really well right now.
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Lazy article by a lazy writer.

Either give some insight, write something less obvious, or, and this is a stretch, do some actual journalism and research something other than just sit around at a press conference and ask leading questions.
It addressed something that a hell of a lot of people are thinking. It's not the PR puff a lot of fans want but it was the damn truth whether people want to hear it or not. Hiring a newbie coordinator, in the SEC, who's called offense for exactly one game? Clearly a risky hire. It's noteworthy because at least the potential is there for Florida II, a Muschamp team that had a great D and a crappy O. Kind of like we had this year.

The comparisons are uncomfortable and some people just can't handle it when uncomfortable issues are covered.

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It addressed something that a hell of a lot of people are thinking. It's not the PR puff a lot of fans want but it was the damn truth whether people want to hear it or not. Hiring a newbie coordinator, in the SEC, who's called offense for exactly one game? Clearly a risky hire. It's noteworthy because at least the potential is there for Florida II, a Muschamp team that had a great D and a crappy O. Kind of like we had this year.

The comparisons are uncomfortable and some people just can't handle it when uncomfortable issues are covered.
One game? Kinda like putting in a new guy to run the anchor leg of a 4X100 relay, and he runs a fast lap to lead you to victory. And then you say "it was only one race" and you sit him back down.

In that analogy, it makes no sense - he has already shown he is fast, and there is no reason to believe that he will not get even better as he works with the other relay members and has more training.

By bringing in Werner to go with Bentley, there is a brain trust available for assistance. But BMac already can coach on his own - that was shown in the years leading up to getting the OC gig, and then in the bowl prep, execution and adjustments against a top Defense.

No learning curve with the players and they believe in him, so does Boom. Smart, smart hire.
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It addressed something that a hell of a lot of people are thinking. It's not the PR puff a lot of fans want but it was the damn truth whether people want to hear it or not. Hiring a newbie coordinator, in the SEC, who's called offense for exactly one game? Clearly a risky hire. It's noteworthy because at least the potential is there for Florida II, a Muschamp team that had a great D and a crappy O. Kind of like we had this year.

The comparisons are uncomfortable and some people just can't handle it when uncomfortable issues are covered.
Are you sure he had any other options? It's great to question the promotion of BMac but it's very possible no one else was really interested. I know we all like to say "it's an SEC job" but keep in mind we had trouble fining someone who wanted to take the HC job and now your asking to find a guy who is willing to be OC number 5 for a guy who hasn't lost one to a promotion yet. I'm just not sure if this was picking who he thought was the best guy, the most convenient guy or the only guy.
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Default Re: J Kendall"Muschamp Gambling w/McClendon

General question to all:

If you are mad about McClendon getting the OC job because he lacks experience, do you think the freshman Bama QB should be the starter to begin next year?
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