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Old 05-18-2017, 05:05 PM   #61
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His comments say a lot about Clemson's recruiting approach and what we are up against.We all know they are not the #1 program in the country, or anywhere close. But they have the back to back natty appearances and the one trophy to show, and they can now spin the top program thing.

Their sales pitch will be a lot more effective now than once the season starts, so look for them to ratchet up the pressure to fill their class. While they are still national champions and the trophy is still shiny.
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His comments say a lot about Clemson's recruiting approach and what we are up against.We all know they are not the #1 program in the country, or anywhere close. But they have the back to back natty appearances and the one trophy to show, and they can now spin the top program thing.

Their sales pitch will be a lot more effective now than once the season starts, so look for them to ratchet up the pressure to fill their class. While they are still national champions and the trophy is still shiny.
If this were USC coming off of a Natty you wouldn't be talking about it being such a limited window to take advantage of it. They're on 6 or 7 straight double digit win seasons and they've been pumping out NFL players, they aren't just selling the Natty. They're going to be a recruiting beast for the next few years easily, zero time pressure on them. What we need to do is get more W's so we can continue to get better and better players and get to their level.

Good news they're looking at a 15ish man class so they probably won't have room for Horn and they are looking at him as a backup plan in case others fall through.
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“They are making other corners in the state more of a priority than me,” Horn said. “I know that I’m South Carolina’s No. 1 guy.”
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“They are making other corners in the state more of a priority than me,” Horn said. “I know that I’m South Carolina’s No. 1 guy.”
Yep that is why we've got the edge, making him a priority plus the track record of Muschamp and TRob. Horn is a stud and I'd love to have him jump on board.
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“They are making other corners in the state more of a priority than me,” Horn said. “I know that I’m South Carolina’s No. 1 guy.”
This sort of attention we're paying to recruits like Jaycee might seem useless to some right now but it will pay dividends in the near future. I can't say it enough; it's nice to have a staff dedicated to recruiting that won't refuse to make time for potential players.
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His comments say a lot about Clemson's recruiting approach and what we are up against.We all know they are not the #1 program in the country, or anywhere close. But they have the back to back natty appearances and the one trophy to show, and they can now spin the top program thing.

Their sales pitch will be a lot more effective now than once the season starts, so look for them to ratchet up the pressure to fill their class. While they are still national champions and the trophy is still shiny.
You really need to stop.

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If this were USC coming off of a Natty you wouldn't be talking about it being such a limited window to take advantage of it. They're on 6 or 7 straight double digit win seasons and they've been pumping out NFL players, they aren't just selling the Natty. They're going to be a recruiting beast for the next few years easily, zero time pressure on them. What we need to do is get more W's so we can continue to get better and better players and get to their level.

Good news they're looking at a 15ish man class so they probably won't have room for Horn and they are looking at him as a backup plan in case others fall through.
I'm not saying that they won't continue to recruit well, but comments like Horn's "they are the number one team in the country" is hard to compete with - and it will no longer be valid after they get a couple of losses. The 2017 version is far from the #1 team, but recruits won't realize that until they see the results on the field.
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I'm not saying that they won't continue to recruit well, but comments like Horn's "they are the number one team in the country" is hard to compete with - and it will no longer be valid after they get a couple of losses. The 2017 version is far from the #1 team, but recruits won't realize that until they see the results on the field.
and the shine will start to wear off once there's an early season loss or two. you talk about pressure, those new guys coming in, especially the skill guys, have enormous pressure to keep winning when the reality is, they just aren't as good as the 5 skill position guys that are now gone....Watson, Gallman, Williams, Scott and Leggett.
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F all the Clemtech talk. I don't give a crap about what they are doing. Lets keep this thread on J Horn.
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and the shine will start to wear off once there's an early season loss or two. you talk about pressure, those new guys coming in, especially the skill guys, have enormous pressure to keep winning when the reality is, they just aren't as good as the 5 skill position guys that are now gone....Watson, Gallman, Williams, Scott and Leggett.
The not as good part is somewhat unproven - unlikely, but not impossible. But they definitely will not be as experienced. Even with his talent, Watson did not win anything as a Freshman, and Gallman, Leggett, and Williams all had experience prior to that year.

If you go to Clemson sites (I don't recommend it, it will lower your IQ, but if you do...) or read the Clemson posters on this board, they never use the word "experience". You see "elite talent", "star ratings", "team rankings", but no mention of the impact that experience makes, especially at positions like QB and on the O Line (where Clemson had true Freshmen starting each of the last two years because they had no players with experience at Tackle).
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Something odd is going on at Bama. Just lost a top 100 RB today, only have 2 commits for 2018, and rank outside the top 25 in recruiting for the first time since class rankings began. Not surprised Horn is leaning towards us now.
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Maybe the recruits know something we don't? Saban?
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The not as good part is somewhat unproven - unlikely, but not impossible. But they definitely will not be as experienced. Even with his talent, Watson did not win anything as a Freshman, and Gallman, Leggett, and Williams all had experience prior to that year.

If you go to Clemson sites (I don't recommend it, it will lower your IQ, but if you do...) or read the Clemson posters on this board, they never use the word "experience". You see "elite talent", "star ratings", "team rankings", but no mention of the impact that experience makes, especially at positions like QB and on the O Line (where Clemson had true Freshmen starting each of the last two years because they had no players with experience at Tackle).
I've never been nor do I ever intend to go to a tater site.
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and the shine will start to wear off once there's an early season loss or two. you talk about pressure, those new guys coming in, especially the skill guys, have enormous pressure to keep winning when the reality is, they just aren't as good as the 5 skill position guys that are now gone....Watson, Gallman, Williams, Scott and Leggett.
Don't forget about defense. They lost Mr Assomatic, "The runs stopper". When Dabo said plug that hole he said "I've only got 10 fingers coach!"
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Maybe the recruits know something we don't? Saban?
Didn't they just extend his contract a few weeks ago?
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I've never been nor do I ever intend to go to a tater site.
Good for you and 6pack. You will keep more of your sense and intelligence - Tater Logic warps your brain. We get exposed to enough of that from the trolls.

If Jaycee holds off until later in the year, I like our chances, which was my point. It is all about getting positive press and good vibes, and I think they are coming our way. And not so much for Clemson - their recent success and their fanbase expectations have set the bar too high, where even a couple of losses will have them gnashing their tooth and jumping in their lake.
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Don't forget about defense. They lost Mr Assomatic, "The runs stopper". When Dabo said plug that hole he said "I've only got 10 fingers coach!"
Yea they did lose a few on defense, ass man and Tankersley and Watkins.
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Good for you and 6pack. You will keep more of your sense and intelligence - Tater Logic warps your brain. We get exposed to enough of that from the trolls.

If Jaycee holds off until later in the year, I like our chances, which was my point. It is all about getting positive press and good vibes, and I think they are coming our way. And not so much for Clemson - their recent success and their fanbase expectations have set the bar too high, where even a couple of losses will have them gnashing their tooth and jumping in their lake.
I think Horn is planning on announcing this summer.
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Couple of guys ahead of Horn on Bama's list of offers that they are in shape to land. Assuming he is the top guy for us, think we can get this dude.
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