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Old 08-13-2018, 01:01 PM   #21
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How can we make a Final Four and barely get recruits
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Wilson is a straight project from what I can tell. No offensive game to speak of. All defense.

As a second or third big in a class that would have been ok, but USC needs someone a bit more equipped to play immediately and that's the primary thing I'm looking at in next year's class.
Who are we going to get? We didn't get an official from Cockburn and Burns is already at UT. We have to replace Silva's athleticism. (not Kotar, Cudd or Haase)
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I see your point... But this is the wrong prospect to make it on... Wilson is no big deal!!! But some of the others would have helped elevate our program.. I have seen Wilson play... I don't see SEC potential at all!!
I agree on Wilson but insert the others.
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Totally agree. I was told he barely weighs 200 pounds and doesnít have good hands. Heís a major project. If Clemson hits on guys they want, Wilson will end up at A mid major. Not a loss in terms of a player, but the perception continues to pile up on Frank. Al, the best guys from instate continue to flock out of state, even after a Final Four run. I doubt Frank stays past this season if he can win and get back to the NCAA tournament. Canít really blame him.
I don't see FM leaving based on what he makes at SC because I don't believe he will get that kind of money anywhere else.
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I see your point... But this is the wrong prospect to make it on... Wilson is no big deal!!! But some of the others would have helped elevate our program.. I have seen Wilson play... I don't see SEC potential at all!!
In other words, he's pretty much on a par with most of FM's other recruits.

I.E., a "project".

Thus, my post, "who are we going to get?"
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USC and Clemson are recruiting the top players in South Carolina, but they are not getting many of them. It seems logical that the reason has little to do with USC and Clemson and much to do with other issues. It doesn't happen in football, and it appears to be limited to men's basketball. And, it has been going on for a long time. I don't fault Brownell or Martin because they are trying to recruit these guys.
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Of all the 2019 prospects from SC he was the least likely to come to SC.

It looks like FM may strike out completely.

Gary - Alabama
Burns - UT
Wilson - (not in final list)
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James - (Possible, but will have to beat out Duke)
Uhhhhh....we already have a commitment from Trae Hannibalnfor 2019.

And he helps with James. If we miss on James, we will have Sophs Couisnard and Moss plus Junior transfer Jair Bolden to go with Hannibal.

With a trio of talented wings in Minaya, Lawson and Bryant, we are set at the Guard/Wing position. I am more worried about finding a talented big man to go with Kotsar, Cudd, Haase and Frink. I suspect Frank will find a grad transfer or a foreign recruit if he continues to strike out on the local talent.
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Uhhhhh....we already have a commitment from Trae Hannibalnfor 2019.

And he helps with James. If we miss on James, we will have Sophs Couisnard and Moss plus Junior transfer Jair Bolden to go with Hannibal.

With a trio of talented wings in Minaya, Lawson and Bryant, we are set at the Guard/Wing position. I am more worried about finding a talented big man to go with Kotsar, Cudd, Haase and Frink. I suspect Frank will find a grad transfer or a foreign recruit if he continues to strike out on the local talent.
Right. We don't need any of these guys. Why even bother.
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USC and Clemson are recruiting the top players in South Carolina, but they are not getting many of them. It seems logical that the reason has little to do with USC and Clemson and much to do with other issues. It doesn't happen in football, and it appears to be limited to men's basketball. And, it has been going on for a long time. I don't fault Brownell or Martin because they are trying to recruit these guys.
Good post.

It has not been true forever, but probably for the last 10-15 years or so. Probably going back to Odom's time. Fogler signed some good players from SC as did Felton.

Fogler's big misses were Kevin Garnett and Jermaine O'Neal. Felton missed on Stanley Roberts.

Xavier McDaniel and Tyrone Corbin went out of state. Nance went to Clemson and Khris Middleton went to A&M.

We gotta stop letting that happen.
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Facilities are the great equalizer - we need as good or better facilities than those we're recruiting against. We can win big with out of state recruits.
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Facilities are the great equalizer - we need as good or better facilities than those we're recruiting against. We can win big with out of state recruits.
isnít the new ops building for all student athletes? i thought it was but I may be wrong. If it is for all, would that be a swaying point? the cla is already a pretty decent arena!

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isnít the new ops building for all student athletes? i thought it was but I may be wrong. If it is for all, would that be a swaying point? the cla is already a pretty decent arena!

The practice facilities are not good enough; Ray went on the cheap. The Ops Center is next to the stadium, it isn't for basketball.
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Totally agree. I was told he barely weighs 200 pounds and doesnít have good hands. Heís a major project. If Clemson hits on guys they want, Wilson will end up at A mid major. Not a loss in terms of a player, but the perception continues to pile up on Frank. Al, the best guys from instate continue to flock out of state, even after a Final Four run. I doubt Frank stays past this season if he can win and get back to the NCAA tournament. Canít really blame him.
there are certainly places with fewer disadvantages and more institutional support.
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The practice facilities are not good enough; Ray went on the cheap. The Ops Center is next to the stadium, it isn't for basketball.
Yes, the current AD removed the dedicated operations building for basketball completely from the Master Plan in favor of what they've done at FMA.

It's pretty unsatisfactory to my mind given what USC has done for most every other program.

The comment was made by the AD that the ops center was not now on any immediate long range planning and likely would not return unless the basketball programs were able to raise the money.

I'm not sure that its really making any negative recruiting impact, but it's certainly not making any positive impact on recruits what they have set up. It makes basketball look unimportant and an afterthought to the University. Which honestly, it has been.
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Yes, the current AD removed the dedicated operations building for basketball completely from the Master Plan in favor of what they've done at FMA.

It's pretty unsatisfactory to my mind given what USC has done for most every other program.

The comment was made by the AD that the ops center was not now on any immediate long range planning and likely would not return unless the basketball programs were able to raise the money.

I'm not sure that its really making any negative recruiting impact, but it's certainly not making any positive impact on recruits what they have set up. It makes basketball look unimportant and an afterthought to the University. Which honestly, it has been.
This is why the program has been down so long and likely will continue to be average to below average. The school doesn't give a crap about basketball.
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i wonder if they left room for expansion on the building for some swanky basketball practice courts and other amenities, men and ladies! itís not like they would take up that much room as far as living space, they only have so many people on each teams. as far as being next to the football stadium, what difference does it make? They all have to get shuttled in and out so they can get back to campus for classes and to go home.

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i wonder if they left room for expansion on the building for some swanky basketball practice courts and other amenities, men and ladies! itís not like they would take up that much room as far as living space, they only have so many people on each teams. as far as being next to the football stadium, what difference does it make? They all have to get shuttled in and out so they can get back to campus for classes and to go home.

The basketball players live at 650 Lincoln, next to the CLA and the Coliseum; why would they go down to Bluff Road for anything? That makes no sense. The fact is that Ray went on the cheap with the Coliseum reno for a practice facility and I resent him for it since basketball is my favorite sport.
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Sometimes I wonder if there are folks in the administration who do not want basketball to have a resurgence because they fear it will take away from football. There is a lot more money in football.
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Sometimes I wonder if there are folks in the administration who do not want basketball to have a resurgence because they fear it will take away from football. There is a lot more money in football.
You can do well in both. Just look at UF, Aub, FSU just to name a couple.
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Who are we going to get? We didn't get an official from Cockburn and Burns is already at UT. We have to replace Silva's athleticism. (not Kotar, Cudd or Haase)

I don't know.

It's a need.

We'll just have to wait and see how it is addressed.
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