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Old 08-30-2018, 09:55 AM   #1
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6'11, 180 lb Christ Church Episcopal School Greenville, SC.

He should be a fairly touted prospect as he is rated in some early top 20s.

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Old 08-30-2018, 03:47 PM   #2
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I read that his parents are Gamecock fans.
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Old 08-30-2018, 04:26 PM   #3
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Holy hell only 15 and already 6’11. Glad we’re finally offering kids early looks like Frank has finally learned to take a chance. Only way we can compete with blue bloods is if we establish the relationship early.
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I read that his parents are Gamecock fans.
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Old 08-31-2018, 01:46 PM   #5
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If he follows the pattern, then yes. Based on the 2018-2019 classes in state, it seems that our beating Duke in the NCAAT had no recruiting benefit.
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Old 08-31-2018, 04:09 PM   #6
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If he follows the pattern, then yes. Based on the 2018-2019 classes in state, it seems that our beating Duke in the NCAAT had no recruiting benefit.
Well, I guess that we will just have to beat them again.

If he is good enough to go pro in a year, he will go to Duke or somewhere like it. I personally think we are better off recruiting in that group just below the one and done guys - players that stick around for four years or close to it. You get more benefit and those guys are better players by Year Three than the one and doners in Year One.

Which is why we beat Duke the last time.
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Old 08-31-2018, 11:42 PM   #7
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Well, I guess that we will just have to beat them again.

If he is good enough to go pro in a year, he will go to Duke or somewhere like it. I personally think we are better off recruiting in that group just below the one and done guys - players that stick around for four years or close to it. You get more benefit and those guys are better players by Year Three than the one and doners in Year One.

Which is why we beat Duke the last time.
I agree, although I don't understand why a player can't go pro after a year from any college. The NBA doesn't care where players go to college.
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Old 09-01-2018, 12:09 AM   #8
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I agree, although I don't understand why a player can't go pro after a year from any college. The NBA doesn't care where players go to college.
You don't think if you're only going to play 1 year in college that the pull to play for Coach K, USA men' coach, that has coached and knows Lebron, Durant ect... is not a reason to pick Duke over others? If you have only 1 chance to try and play for a ncaa championship would you honestly go play for kentucky, duke or us?
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You don't think if you're only going to play 1 year in college that the pull to play for Coach K, USA men' coach, that has coached and knows Lebron, Durant ect... is not a reason to pick Duke over others? If you have only 1 chance to try and play for a ncaa championship would you honestly go play for kentucky, duke or us?
I don't like Coach K, and would never play for him. Players who want to only play one year of college aren't very concerned about winning an ncaa title. The only reason they don't go pro out of high school is because they can't. They have it in their minds that playing for Duke, UNC or Uk will somehow help them get drafted higher, which is really all they care about. Show me the money!!!!
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Duke and UK get the one and doners because:

1. They are media darlings
2. They are successful, year in and year out
3. They have put many, many successful players into the pros, usually as high draft picks

Yes, you can get to the NBA from anywhere. You can even argue that the chances are better if you go to a less well-established program where you are not one of many "can't miss" players. But HS kids are impressional and they (and the AAU coaches that influence their decisions) are going to push them to established programs.

We will have a shot at the better talents - at least the in-state recruits - if we continue to have success in the NCAA tournament and if we continue the recent trend of putting players in the NBA.
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I read that his parents are Gamecock fans.


They should be. His mom played basketball for USC back in the Walvius days. She was Casey Key at the time and about 6'4. The father used to be boy's basketball coach at Eau Claire and Athletic Director at Southside in Greenville where the Gamecock Women held an open practice the year the won the National Championship. They are both big Gamecock fans. It will be interesting.
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