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Old 09-25-2018, 06:54 PM   #21
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Despite USC Baseball1 being on a mission to shoot down anything Frank does, Frank will get his recruits and the program will continue to move forward. Despite the fact this same guy and a few others saying Frank can't recruit, we already have one more commit than Dawn and we have many months to go to fill our remaining slots.

Frank has done very well with out of state recruiting. We also had another Frank who did well with out of state recruiting and our one commit is a Top 5 SC recruit. Bowen loved it here and loved Frank. I am sure this is why we are getting this visit.
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Maybe just ask for more than one or two starters who would start at the majority of other schools in the SEC?
Why is it so easy for you to get it but thumpin big still thinks the emperors clothes are still nice?
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For not being able to recruit, Frank has done pretty well. Final Four. Winningest season in school history. Winningest back to back seasons in school history. Tied with McGuire for most NCAA wins. Took McGuire 16 years. Frank did it in six. But I guess all that doesn't matter to some people.
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For not being able to recruit, Frank has done pretty well. Final Four. Winningest season in school history. Winningest back to back seasons in school history. Tied with McGuire for most NCAA wins. Took McGuire 16 years. Frank did it in six. But I guess all that doesn't matter to some people.


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For not being able to recruit, Frank has done pretty well. Final Four. Winningest season in school history. Winningest back to back seasons in school history. Tied with McGuire for most NCAA wins. Took McGuire 16 years. Frank did it in six. But I guess all that doesn't matter to some people.
Because youíre arguing different things. Donít act like the final4 run was destiny. It was a Cinderella story on the back of sin and pj. Itís the same as saying, I donít know, Charlie strong is an elite head coach because he had a succesful season with a star player.

The point is, no one in their right minds should be saying Frank Martin is recruiting g at a high level. That doesnít negate the fact he got two star players from SC to stay home and win big, but two players and one run doesnít mean heís a recruiting guru.
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Old 09-25-2018, 09:28 PM   #26
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For not being able to recruit, Frank has done pretty well. Final Four. Winningest season in school history. Winningest back to back seasons in school history. Tied with McGuire for most NCAA wins. Took McGuire 16 years. Frank did it in six. But I guess all that doesn't matter to some people.
Well now. Not so fast.

Nobody is saying he isnt a great coach, he truly is. What we are saying is he cant recruit, despite the success on the court.

bringing McGuire into this isnt fair because for most his coaching career you had to win the toughest conference in america to get into the tourney
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Despite USC Baseball1 being on a mission to shoot down anything Frank does, Frank will get his recruits and the program will continue to move forward. Despite the fact this same guy and a few others saying Frank can't recruit, we already have one more commit than Dawn and we have many months to go to fill our remaining slots.

Frank has done very well with out of state recruiting. We also had another Frank who did well with out of state recruiting and our one commit is a Top 5 SC recruit. Bowen loved it here and loved Frank. I am sure this is why we are getting this visit.
one more commit than dawn? Dawn goes after ELITE prospects.
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Well now. Not so fast.

Nobody is saying he isnt a great coach, he truly is. What we are saying is he cant recruit, despite the success on the court.

bringing McGuire into this isnt fair because for most his coaching career you had to win the toughest conference in america to get into the tourney
Great post and dead on!
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Despite USC Baseball1 being on a mission to shoot down anything Frank does, Frank will get his recruits and the program will continue to move forward. Despite the fact this same guy and a few others saying Frank can't recruit, we already have one more commit than Dawn and we have many months to go to fill our remaining slots.

Frank has done very well with out of state recruiting. We also had another Frank who did well with out of state recruiting and our one commit is a Top 5 SC recruit. Bowen loved it here and loved Frank. I am sure this is why we are getting this visit.
This is laughable. I mean comparing FM to Dawn has to be a joke. Holler at me at the end of the year because we are going to need more excuses from some of you why we missed another Tourney.
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For not being able to recruit, Frank has done pretty well. Final Four. Winningest season in school history. Winningest back to back seasons in school history. Tied with McGuire for most NCAA wins. Took McGuire 16 years. Frank did it in six. But I guess all that doesn't matter to some people.
What does years of no one caring about our Basketball Program have to do with success now. Go get quality players and win if your this great Coach. All Gamecocks keep preaching how kids love FM when its obvious they want no piece of him. When we miss the Tourney this year and likely next its going to be a wake up call to the homers. There is a reason we have to recruit kids with issues and thats on your guy.
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This thread is for Gerald Drumgoole. This thread IS NOT about Frank Martin and his ability/non-ability to recruit. If you want to discuss Frank Martin's recruiting ability then START A SEPARATE THREAD!!!!! Keep it out of these kid's recruiting threads!!!!
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This thread is for Gerald Drumgoole. This thread IS NOT about Frank Martin and his ability/non-ability to recruit. If you want to discuss Frank Martin's recruiting ability then START A SEPARATE THREAD!!!!! Keep it out of these kid's recruiting threads!!!!
No, please don't start yet another thread about it. Seems every thread about basketball devolves to that. At this point, it is what it is and there's no point to keep rehashing the argument.
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That said, I hope he enjoys his visit.
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What does years of no one caring about our Basketball Program have to do with success now. Go get quality players and win if your this great Coach. All Gamecocks keep preaching how kids love FM when its obvious they want no piece of him. When we miss the Tourney this year and likely next its going to be a wake up call to the homers. There is a reason we have to recruit kids with issues and thats on your guy.
Well, there it is. You can't now claim that you don't want to see Frank leave.
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Well look another BS basketball conversation btwn fans about the Basketball coach. Wow take up a damn collection to pay for players, become a damn agent or trainer / aau mentor or become the new BBcoach at USC. some of you fans are just full of it . Don't gripe here. Go tell The AD. take him a fist full of $ to buy players. All I want to know from this incessant back and forth about recruiting is who the hell other than the asshat at Witchita State is coming in here and recruiting better than those coaches at UK Duke uVA, etc. The answer is no one. Sheesh this crap is tiring to read . You don't like it still, take it to Tanner.
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Well look another BS basketball conversation btwn fans about the Basketball coach. Wow take up a damn collection to pay for players, become a damn agent or trainer / aau mentor or become the new BBcoach at USC. some of you fans are just full of it . Don't gripe here. Go tell The AD. take him a fist full of $ to buy players. All I want to know from this incessant back and forth about recruiting is who the hell other than the asshat at Witchita State is coming in here and recruiting better than those coaches at UK Duke uVA, etc. The answer is no one. Sheesh this crap is tiring to read . You don't like it still, take it to Tanner.
How bout getting players that will stay or that can qualify without all the drama. Not SC Admins fault that FM needs a academic exception on an entire Team of players every year. Its ridiculous.
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Well, there it is. You can't now claim that you don't want to see Frank leave.
This class this year was it for me. He struck out. Batted 0% so yeah, if you cant hold your own backyard down its time to move on.
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This class this year was it for me. He struck out. Batted 0% so yeah, if you cant hold your own backyard down its time to move on.
Time for every other college basketball coach in SC to move on too, since they didn't get any of those players either.

Frank did get Hannibal. So he didn't strike out.
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What does years of no one caring about our Basketball Program have to do with success now. Go get quality players and win if your this great Coach. All Gamecocks keep preaching how kids love FM when its obvious they want no piece of him. When we miss the Tourney this year and likely next its going to be a wake up call to the homers. There is a reason we have to recruit kids with issues and thats on your guy.
What if we don't miss the tourney? Is everything wonderful for you then?

And what issues do our players have? Some of them have gotten into trouble and left the program, but that happens at all schools and does not mean that we are recruiting criminals. Most of our players come in, work hard and stay clean.

And losing players to transfer is the norm in college basketball - and we have used that to our benefit going the other way. That is smart recruiting.

We should have gotten in the tourney three years ago, that was a pure screw job because we were an SEC team and not a traditional power. We got in two years ago and made the Final Four. Last year we had enough talent if we had a decent PG.

So........we have a better PG situation now, and we are in position to become a regular NCAA tournament team. Will people still say Frank can't recruit and needs to go then?
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What if we don't miss the tourney? Is everything wonderful for you then?

And what issues do our players have? Some of them have gotten into trouble and left the program, but that happens at all schools and does not mean that we are recruiting criminals. Most of our players come in, work hard and stay clean.

And losing players to transfer is the norm in college basketball - and we have used that to our benefit going the other way. That is smart recruiting.

We should have gotten in the tourney three years ago, that was a pure screw job because we were an SEC team and not a traditional power. We got in two years ago and made the Final Four. Last year we had enough talent if we had a decent PG.

So........we have a better PG situation now, and we are in position to become a regular NCAA tournament team. Will people still say Frank can't recruit and needs to go then?
What if we don't? Chances are higher we will finish near the bottom of the SEC than make the NCAA Tourney. The thing is the SEC has gotten much better if you have not noticed. We are going to be competing with schools with much better players and good Coaches in their own right and that is going to be a problem. FM being a good Coach is not going to overcome that.
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