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Old 09-26-2018, 03:43 PM   #81
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What would y'alls opinion be if Dabo stopped Belk from transferring? Now that's 2 times he put a player first. They are some on here that didn't like Garcia getting the boot. It happens.

There's more to the Belk story than his mom was sick, and when lawyers got involved, that's when Clemson granted for clean leave.

As far as Garcia is concerned, I think he was ultimately set up by the previous administration that was not subtitle about their dislike for him.
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Belks Attorney was hired for a reason. Dabo allowed the transfer AFTER he was hired because he new it was in Dabo's best interest. Also please tell Dabo since its obvious thats your guy that the fake Christian speech he gave came through just that way - fake.
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There's more to the Belk story than his mom was sick, and when lawyers got involved, that's when Clemson granted for clean leave.
There certainly is. Since this isn't in Smack, I won't go into it. But I will say that the signed papers included a no disclosure statement.
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4* Chase Brice is the only QB left on the roster from the pre-Trevor era
This tells me Lawrence was made all types of promises to commit to Clemson, so much so that apparently former players knew about it, and the other QBs found out so they went ahead and left. Bryant apparently believed that his tenure was enough to let him hold onto the job, at least for most of the season, or at least as the starter ... and nope.
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FWIW Finebaum said he doesn't see Bryant landing with a high Power 5 team. Says Hurts is the one everyone is waiting on.

Bryant's definitely not happy, and I see his side of it. But on Dabo's side, you gotta start whoever you think is the better player. Dabo probably should have just kept going with what he was doing. Starting Bryant and working Lawrence in. I think that Dabo did the right thing in letting Bryant know while he still has the opportunity to transfer, but he may have gotten enamored too quickly with the shiny new toy in Lawrence.

He may have also been spooked into starting Lawrence because they play at Syracuse this weekend and the presumption among the Clemson fans that they are going to need to score a bunch of points. Lawrence certainly has all the tools so we'll see.
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This is absolute BS. Bryant deserves the top spot until he loses it.

All these former players defending Dabo smells like they were told to back Clemson.
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FWIW Finebaum said he doesn't see Bryant landing with a high Power 5 team. Says Hurts is the one everyone is waiting on.

Bryant's definitely not happy, and I see his side of it. But on Dabo's side, you gotta start whoever you think is the better player. Dabo probably should have just kept going with what he was doing. Starting Bryant and working Lawrence in. I think that Dabo did the right thing in letting Bryant know while he still has the opportunity to transfer, but he may have gotten enamored too quickly with the shiny new toy in Lawrence.

He may have also been spooked into starting Lawrence because they play at Syracuse this weekend and the presumption among the Clemson fans that they are going to need to score a bunch of points. Lawrence certainly has all the tools so we'll see.
They play Syracuse at home. But I still think they'll probably need to score a lot, like 14 points. That elite Syracuse offense is no joke.
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This is absolute BS. Bryant deserves the top spot until he loses it.

All these former players defending Dabo smells like they were told to back Clemson.
Not all former players. See my above post, some are coming about talking about promises being made before practice even started.

I have no problem with playing the best player whoever it is. That's how you win ball games. I have a problem when politics come into play and one guy stayed in your program for this moment, but another was a higher recruit so you made all these promises to him for him to commit ... then he gets the job because your schedule is so weak you can.

I can promise you, if Clemson was in the SEC Trevor Lawrence would not be the starting QB.
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I looked at the 2018 stats for each. Bryant had 120 yds rushing in 4 games while Trevor had 24 yds.
Will this apparent lack of ability to scramble for net + yards at the QB slot take a toll on Clemson's W/L record.
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All these former players defending Dabo smells like they were told to back Clemson.
Go look at Tucker Isreal's twitter feed.

FWIW, I don't HAVE twitter, but t-net posted up a bunch of tweets.
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Not all former players. See my above post, some are coming about talking about promises being made before practice even started.

I have no problem with playing the best player whoever it is. That's how you win ball games. I have a problem when politics come into play and one guy stayed in your program for this moment, but another was a higher recruit so you made all these promises to him for him to commit ... then he gets the job because your schedule is so weak you can.

I can promise you, if Clemson was in the SEC Trevor Lawrence would not be the starting QB.


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Kids transfer all the time. He is going to find a place he can play. You call it whatever you want but saying he quit is bs.


This isn't the same thing as players transferring after or before the season. And with the new redshirt rule, this particular kind of incident is going to become more common, I feel like. Again, transfer, quit, redshirt, refuse to play...it's all ultimately the same thing: He wasn't starting, didn't like it, and isn't playing anymore for Clemson. What he was promised or how he felt slighted doesn't matter. I'm not saying it is right or not, but that's how it is.


Moving on---I pray that this is the day that we can circle five years from now as the tipping point from Clemson's rise. QB is such a hard position to nail down. If Trevor isn't the answer, the don't have any other options at this point.
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Anyone blaming Dabo...why wouldn't he play the best player? Why would he do something that doesn't give his team the best chance to win a championship?

A lot of people, including Bryant, have said that he didn't do anything to lose the job. I guess it just depends on how you view it. You don't have to lose a job to have someone jump you on the depth chart, the 2nd string guy can win it from you. Bryant did a good job as the starter but if Clemson has any dreams of trying to win a national title this season then they are going to have to throw the ball on an elite level. They can't compete with Alabama physically and beat them with a rushing attack.

I don't blame Bryant for leaving or think he did anything wrong, although I wish he would have hung around.
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I looked at the 2018 stats for each. Bryant had 120 yds rushing in 4 games while Trevor had 24 yds.
Will this apparent lack of ability to scramble for net + yards at the QB slot take a toll on Clemson's W/L record.
I think Clemson fans are more excited about Lawrence's ability to escape and throw a 40 yard bomb than his ability to pick up 5-6 yards.

Last year Bryant had 1106 yards, 9 total TDs, 2 Ints, in 175 action plays (44/game)
This year Lawrence has 631 yards, 9 total TDs, 2 ints, in 70 action plays (17.5/game).

That is almost a 50% increase in yards/play in Lawrence vs Bryant (9 yards vs 6.3).

Bryant only had 2 games last year where he had more than 300 total yards (Kent State @ 313 and Louisville @342). I think it's reasonable to expect that Lawrence will break 300 total yards in his first 2 games as a starter.

Bryant never had more than 3 TDs in a game. Lawrence had 4 TD last week coming off the bench in the 2nd quarter.
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Anyone blaming Dabo...why wouldn't he play the best player? Why would he do something that doesn't give his team the best chance to win a championship?

A lot of people, including Bryant, have said that he didn't do anything to lose the job. I guess it just depends on how you view it. You don't have to lose a job to have someone jump you on the depth chart, the 2nd string guy can win it from you. Bryant did a good job as the starter but if Clemson has any dreams of trying to win a national title this season then they are going to have to throw the ball on an elite level. They can't compete with Alabama physically and beat them with a rushing attack.

I don't blame Bryant for leaving or think he did anything wrong, although I wish he would have hung around.
If they're going to stay on the field with Bama they better let TL throw it more than 21 times.

I have no issue with what Dabo did or the minor fall out over it. But to say TL gives them a better shot at a National Championship is very very premature. He'll have a shot to earn it one day. But GT and Syracuse are not even remotely comparable to Bama Georgia Oklahoma ECT.

I'm not sure they even win the A&M game with out Bryant. We all saw what Bama did to them. It was a laughing stock.
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Anyone blaming Dabo...why wouldn't he play the best player? Why would he do something that doesn't give his team the best chance to win a championship?

A lot of people, including Bryant, have said that he didn't do anything to lose the job. I guess it just depends on how you view it. You don't have to lose a job to have someone jump you on the depth chart, the 2nd string guy can win it from you. Bryant did a good job as the starter but if Clemson has any dreams of trying to win a national title this season then they are going to have to throw the ball on an elite level. They can't compete with Alabama physically and beat them with a rushing attack.

I don't blame Bryant for leaving or think he did anything wrong, although I wish he would have hung around.
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If they're going to stay on the field with Bama they better let TL throw it more than 21 times.

I have no issue with what Dabo did or the minor fall out over it. But to say TL gives them a better shot at a National Championship is very very premature. He'll have a shot to earn it one day. But GT and Syracuse are not even remotely comparable to Bama Georgia Oklahoma ECT.

I'm not sure they even win the A&M game with out Bryant. We all saw what Bama did to them. It was a laughing stock.
Exactly what I said in the smack thread. Beating Furman, Ga Southern, and GT, a long way from competing and beating high level teams. We don't know yet if TL is that good. I would say we're about to find out but not with Clemson's schedule.
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For those of us that haven't seen him play...Is Trevor Lawrence anywhere near the athlete that Kelly Bryant is?
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Shouldn’t be too much pressure on the new guy now, right?
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For those of us that haven't seen him play...Is Trevor Lawrence anywhere near the athlete that Kelly Bryant is?
Pure athleticism...no. KB wins there.

Is he a better QB? Yes. TL runs circles around KB as a quarterback.
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