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Old 12-28-2017, 11:18 AM   #1
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With all of the OC talks going on, I am REALLY intrigued by the Matt Canada situation down in Baton Rouge. I think somebody is putting booze in Coach O's gumbo for him to want Canada to leave.

Everything I read about their coaching relationship basically says that every time Canada gets to run the offense the way he wants, LSU puts up huge numbers, but that Coach O doesn't like the offense that Canada wants to run. Seriously, Coach O?

However, Canada was also let go at NC State after putting up crazy numbers with less talent at NC State. I didn't really find a whole lot of information about the split between him and Doeren, but the history of splits makes me wonder if he's hard to work with. I'm not sure so I don't want to make assumptions.

Anyways, I would be THRILLED to land Canada as our OC. I'm wondering if he's been contacted by our guys yet, but what do y'all think about Matt Canada, if anything? Any additional information that anybody can add?
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Old 12-28-2017, 12:34 PM   #2
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I was just coming to make a thread about Canada. He was the hottest OC out there last year. Something weird is going on that LSU is passing him out this soon, but I would LOVE to get him as OC
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I'd take Drinkwitz over him.
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Drinkwitz? You serious, Clark?

I've posted this stuff in the OC thread, but I don't see any red flags with Canada other than an inability to work with Orgeron (which, in my mind, is a strong positive) and an inexplicable firing from NC State.

The only problem is we're likely going to be outbid for him and may only get 2 seasons or so if he's successful before he jumps at a HC gig, but I'm cool with it.

Serious question--why would Canada not be at the top of the list?
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Old 12-28-2017, 12:50 PM   #5
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Asked that question of a friend of mine who is a Pack fan when it happened. He said one of the big things was that Jacoby Brissett did not seem develop year 1 to year 2 under Canada. He also said there seemed to be a lot of games where they would look back and say, "Wow that was working, why didn't we do it more." Similar to complaints about Roper honestly. He also said when things were going well he would often call a trick play that was just ill timed and hurt momentum. He biggest gripe, when things weren't going well he seemed completely unable to adjust.

He seems to have had a lot of success, but he had issues with Bielema at Wisconsin, Doeren at NC State, and now apparently Coach O. That is something Muschamp would surely look at knowing the importance of this hire.
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We don’t need any Canadians! This is America! Lol jk
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We should certainly entertain this, at the very least.
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Asked that question of a friend of mine who is a Pack fan when it happened. He said one of the big things was that Jacoby Brissett did not seem develop year 1 to year 2 under Canada. He also said there seemed to be a lot of games where they would look back and say, "Wow that was working, why didn't we do it more." Similar to complaints about Roper honestly. He also said when things were going well he would often call a trick play that was just ill timed and hurt momentum. He biggest gripe, when things weren't going well he seemed completely unable to adjust.

He seems to have had a lot of success, but he had issues with Bielema at Wisconsin, Doeren at NC State, and now apparently Coach O. That is something Muschamp would surely look at knowing the importance of this hire.
Interesting. The Brissett issue would make sense I suppose, but I still think Doeren may have fired him a little early considering they were very successful. I think the Coach O and Bielema issues might just stem from differing philosophies.
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Asked that question of a friend of mine who is a Pack fan when it happened. He said one of the big things was that Jacoby Brissett did not seem develop year 1 to year 2 under Canada. He also said there seemed to be a lot of games where they would look back and say, "Wow that was working, why didn't we do it more." Similar to complaints about Roper honestly. He also said when things were going well he would often call a trick play that was just ill timed and hurt momentum. He biggest gripe, when things weren't going well he seemed completely unable to adjust.

He seems to have had a lot of success, but he had issues with Bielema at Wisconsin, Doeren at NC State, and now apparently Coach O. That is something Muschamp would surely look at knowing the importance of this hire.
Yeah, I can't remember who said it on the radio, but it seems like this guy is hard to get along with and possibly a team cancer.

Thanks, but no thanks.
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Old 12-29-2017, 12:04 AM   #11
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Sorry, but you don't know what you are talking about.
Canada is currently talked about as one of the 5 top OCs in football.
He has a few drawbacks that are keeping him from being a HC candidate, but I dont want him as a HC.
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Sorry, but you don't know what you are talking about.
Canada is currently talked about as one of the 5 top OCs in football.
He has a few drawbacks that are keeping him from being a HC candidate, but I dont want him as a HC.
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Drinkwitz? You serious, Clark?

I've posted this stuff in the OC thread, but I don't see any red flags with Canada other than an inability to work with Orgeron (which, in my mind, is a strong positive) and an inexplicable firing from NC State.

The only problem is we're likely going to be outbid for him and may only get 2 seasons or so if he's successful before he jumps at a HC gig, but I'm cool with it.

Serious question--why would Canada not be at the top of the list?
Because two head coaches have asked him to move on in less than 5 years.
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Because two head coaches have asked him to move on in less than 5 years.
Drinkwitz just hung 52 and almost 500...wonderfully balanced...yards on ASU...just like he did against us AND Clemson...AND...everyone loves him...his players...fellow coaches...boss and administration.

Hell, even his classmates love him...Drinkwitz was the Student Body President at both his High School and College.

Canada on the other hand keeps putting up less yards and points and has been fired twice in four years.

Its almost as if just because people have heard his name before they believe he is the better coach...and that's it. If you look at the numbers and real world job experience I'm not sure why anyone views him as being better than Drinkwitz.

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You can say what you want about Canada but that 2016 Pitt team was on fire the last 6 or 7 games and scored over 40 to win at clemson and had them off balance the entire night. The hung over 70 on Syracuse granted it’s Syracuse but 70 is a ton of points against anyone.
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Drinkwitz please
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I'm starting to like the Drinkiwits idea there is a reason our QB of the future wanted to play for him.
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Because two head coaches have asked him to move on in less than 5 years.
Orgeron who's an idiot and NC State which was out of the blue.

I just think looking at the body of work--Canada has done it at multiple schools with multiple QBs and never really had the chance to bring in 'his guys'. Drinkwitz came from a short stent at Boise St (The same place where Muschamp plucked the winner of Brent Pease) and took his QB with him and has done things at NC State for a season. He's had two years of OC experience.

Here's the thing with me, I don't think Muschamp should be looking for a 5 year hire kind of guy. He needs a guy to produce in 1-2 years max. Even if Canada is grating and wears out his welcome in 3 years, if we have the same offense as he did at NC State or Pitt and we have a T-Rob/Muschamp defense, we're in Atlanta.

I don't know what the right decision is, but in my opinion, I'd take a chance that Canada's an a-hole who's hard to deal with but has shown results over a longer period of time than a OC who's coached 24 games or so with one QB.
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You can say what you want about Canada but that 2016 Pitt team was on fire the last 6 or 7 games and scored over 40 to win at clemson and had them off balance the entire night. The hung over 70 on Syracuse granted it’s Syracuse but 70 is a ton of points against anyone.
I must admit I keep ignoring his one year at Pitt...but that also adds yet another job...four in four years...fired twice... just does not make me feel good about some part of his make-up.

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6 jobs in 8 years...7 in 9 if you count his last year at Indiana...just seems like a lot of jobs for someone who is supposed to be a 'top 5' coach of any kind.
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