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Old 07-02-2017, 10:31 AM   #21
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Not for nothing........but had he been in school still Bentley would've been an elite11 qb. He was the number 2 PP of 17 class, some services had him as 5* his sophomore (DJ was I think the number 50 player and borderline 5* is sophomore year too). So as much as I'd love to say camps and rankings don't mean sh$t, they do measure certain attributes. Our only division championship we had an elite 11 qb under center, just a little food for thought.
Bentley was at the Atlanta regional of the Elite 11


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Old 07-02-2017, 02:31 PM   #22
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He was there but he was not eligible to go to the Elite 11 because he was a Junior. Trevor Lawrence, Clemson's top-rated QB, was there as well but not able to attend the Elite 11 (he did this year).

The write-up on Lawrence shows the weakness of the Elite Eleven process. Lawrence was lights-out until the "pressure" portion when he had four straight incompletions. The Elite Eleven skillset does not necessarily translate to game success when the bullets start flying and the rushers start coming - that is why the dual threat guys tend to do better in the actual games. They have poorer mechanics but can avoid pressure.
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Ace, you're better than this. Bentley was a junior going into his senior year , same as Chase Brice who won the competition and went to the elite eleven finals in California from the Atlanta regional. T Lawrence was a sophomore going into his junior year so was not eligible. The elite eleven competition is for juniors going into the senior year. Just like DJ and TL this year are juniors going into there senior year and both went to California because they won there regional.
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Ace, you're better than this. Bentley was a junior going into his senior year , same as Chase Brice who won the competition and went to the elite eleven finals in California from the Atlanta regional. T Lawrence was a sophomore going into his junior year so was not eligible. The elite eleven competition is for juniors going into the senior year. Just like DJ and TL this year are juniors going into there senior year and both went to California because they won there regional.
Apparently I'm not better, LOL. I lost track of my years there.

I looked at Bentley's highlights and was surprised at how many were runs. He was never a true dual threat, but maybe he was too quick to take off for the Elite 11 folks.

Anyway, not mkaing the Elite 11 has been proven not to be a big deal. Interesting that Chase Brice, who is being looked at as maybe the #3 QB at Clemson (who will probably fall to #4 when Lawrence arrives), was the top performed in the ATL camp.
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Damn,Ace you are too easy. From last year.

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Ace, you're better than this. Bentley was a junior going into his senior year , same as Chase Brice who won the competition and went to the elite eleven finals in California from the Atlanta regional. T Lawrence was a sophomore going into his junior year so was not eligible. The elite eleven competition is for juniors going into the senior year. Just like DJ and TL this year are juniors going into there senior year and both went to California because they won there regional.
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Apparently I'm not better, LOL. I lost track of my years there.

I looked at Bentley's highlights and was surprised at how many were runs. He was never a true dual threat, but maybe he was too quick to take off for the Elite 11 folks.

Anyway, not mkaing the Elite 11 has been proven not to be a big deal. Interesting that Chase Brice, who is being looked at as maybe the #3 QB at Clemson (who will probably fall to #4 when Lawrence arrives), was the top performed in the ATL camp.
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McIlwain is proof of that.
Unless he goes to Cal and balls out...I don't think it'll happen but you never know.
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They are being kind with the bust percentage. Given the fact that less than a third of the Elite 11 guys ever became college starters...i'd call a full two-thirds of them busts. If you're supposed to be one of the top 11 players in the entire country at your position and you can never earn a starting job (regardless of the reason), you may be a fine young man and congratulations on your high school hype and all, but that's a clear bust.
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I think you guys just all tangled up in your underwear over this stupid stuff. What you have to realize is that you're putting your faith into someone(group, organization, individuals) whom you know nothing about that are making these selections. They determine who is an "Elite 11" and who is not. But who is evaluating their abilitiy to evaluate? We know they are not coaches or professional scouts, because if they were they would be coaching and scouting for somebody. These are some dreggs somewhere who can't do anything else and they are making money on this stuff by gullible people willing to buy in to their garbage. These are the same type people that come up with recruiting rankings and star evaluations etc.
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I absolutely think the Elite 11 matters. Look at how many QB's who were Elite 11 Finalists had great College careers, some had great Pro careers and some still at least made it to the NFL.

Andrew Luck, Matthew Stafford, Jameis Winston, Teddy Bridgewater, Matt Leinart, Geno Smith, Mark Sanchez, Tim Tebow, Vince Young, Kyle Orton and Troy Smith.

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^ these are just some of the names that pop out on the list as having at least great college careers and making it to the NFL.

It is unreasonable to expect every Elite 11 Finalist to get to the NFL. However, between 1 to 9 of them per class have got to the NFL level. It just depends on the year. Often time 3-5 from the same class make it.
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There should be a rule about resurrecting threads from a year ago
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There should be a rule about resurrecting threads from a year ago
Then how are you supposed to dog people for making outlandish statements? Digging up preseason threads after the season are the best. Itís also why Mel Kiper is being forced to retire:

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Then how are you supposed to dog people for making outlandish statements? Digging up preseason threads after the season are the best. Itís also why Mel Kiper is being forced to retire:

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My first concerns about BMac came at the end of the Elite 11 when Dilfer said Brandon could end up being president one day. Great compliment, but not what you want to hear at the end of a QB competition.

As to the competition itself, you’re trying to pick the top 10 or so QBs from literally thousands. There are bound to be misses. It’s somewhat gimmicky.

Wow...just going back and doing some Google searches. Hard to believe how absolutely can’t miss Brandon was considered.
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Elite 11 has its place..it shows competition and gives you an idea of skill set.

But people put way too much stock into it. Game film tells more, but QB, as said by many on here, is all mental.

How fast can they read D? Can they read D correctly? Can they make correct adjustments on the fly? Do they inspire confidence in others? Can they lead? Risk-reward management with throwing options? Do they play smart?

Lots of intangibles you can't really gauge from film, Elite 11, 7-on-7...that is where interviews and talking to these prospects is key, and is key on recruiting evaluators to have a good gut feeling, almost like reading a poker player.
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My first concerns about BMac came at the end of the Elite 11 when Dilfer said Brandon could end up being president one day. Great compliment, but not what you want to hear at the end of a QB competition.

As to the competition itself, youíre trying to pick the top 10 or so QBs from literally thousands. There are bound to be misses. Itís somewhat gimmicky.

Wow...just going back and doing some Google searches. Hard to believe how absolutely canít miss Brandon was considered.
I think another problem with Bmac was he could not find a system that fit him.
He likely needed a more run-based, option-spread system that rolled him out of the pocket.

I don't doubt he can QB...but he was over valued BIG TIME by "experts."
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My bad. Was trying to respond to Ace in Smack Talk by quoting one of his old threads and did not realize it was in Cockpit. I could not delete it.
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They are being kind with the bust percentage. Given the fact that less than a third of the Elite 11 guys ever became college starters...i'd call a full two-thirds of them busts. If you're supposed to be one of the top 11 players in the entire country at your position and you can never earn a starting job (regardless of the reason), you may be a fine young man and congratulations on your high school hype and all, but that's a clear bust.
agree. the reason they are busts is because they truly arent the elite 11. Dakereon Joyner was not an elite 11 qb..
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Since the thread is back up - the Elite Eleven was created by a former Pro QB (Trent Dilfer) to showcase QBs - with an emphasis the things that pro teams focus on. It does not give credit to QBs that can run the football,or scramble - it prioritizes big, strong-armed QBs that stay in the pocket.

Unfortunately, they ignore significant parts of what makes a QB successful. DT QBs are becoming increasingly prevalent in college and even are starting to be successful at the pro level.

It gives everyone something to talk about but needs to be taken with a grain of slat.
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The Elite 11 isn't an indicator of college success one way or the other. How the Elite 11 can matter is if a QB prospect kills it there he can receive a ton of hype and get his rating boosted which can help make more highly rated kids want to play with him in college. As far as college recruiting goes it can be useful, as far as a predictor of college success it's useless.
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Since the thread is back up - the Elite Eleven was created by a former Pro QB (Trent Dilfer) to showcase QBs - with an emphasis the things that pro teams focus on. It does not give credit to QBs that can run the football,or scramble - it prioritizes big, strong-armed QBs that stay in the pocket.

Unfortunately, they ignore significant parts of what makes a QB successful. DT QBs are becoming increasingly prevalent in college and even are starting to be successful at the pro level.

It gives everyone something to talk about but needs to be taken with a grain of slat.
Oh ok, so anyone who incorrectly says TL had a horrible Day 3 at E11 should be taken with a grain of salt? Deal.
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