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Old 07-09-2017, 06:52 PM   #21
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Maybe he's not underrated but DJ Smith is an absolute stud.. Great open field tackler and can lay the wood. He knows angles / has good instincts
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Maybe he's not underrated but DJ Smith is an absolute stud.. Great open field tackler and can lay the wood. He knows angles / has good instincts
I wouldn't go that far. He is nice to have from an experience stand point and depth in the secondary.
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Do we have any highly rated players on defense, I know Moore is good but he's kind of a question mark due to injury and time off. And please don't list King as someone to be excited about this preseason.
King was arguably our best defensive player last season. The whole secondary was worn down by the end of the season due to lack of depth.
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I'm hesitant to call Blackshear underrated, as we haven't seen enough of him at full speed to know how good he can be. I will say that he has the potential to be a very good player. If he has put the work in and progresses properly, he could be a vital piece of this defense before the season is over.
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Maybe he's not underrated but DJ Smith is an absolute stud.. Great open field tackler and can lay the wood. He knows angles / has good instincts
He's been more of a disappointment in my eyes, but I've always been more critical of him than others. I just can't stand poor safety play from our defense and wiffing shoulder tackles and not coming up to make tackles.
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I believe that we have the potential for a much improved D. Everyone is back in the secondary with nice adds. We lose a couple of veteran LBs but return our best (BAW) and get Skai back, who is even better if 100%. And we return enough on the D Line to be as good against the run.

The weakness was the pass rush, and our best (English) is gone. So if this is right - if Brad Johnson will make a big splash as a Freshman and Wonnum steps up as a Sophomore - even the pass rush could be improved.

And, of course, another big advantage will be not having to be on the field so damn much because of our improved Offense. Oh, and having the premier D Coordinator in college football as our head coach helps. Boom!
A couple? How about we lose 4 out of 6 off last year's 2 deep depth chart. LB is going to be our biggest problem this year without a doubt. If we have an injury or 2 it could be disaster. If Skai were to sustain an injury, it would be equivalent to the defense as losing Bentley would be to the offense. We are thinner and weaker at LB than any other position on the field.
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A couple? How about we lose 4 out of 6 off last year's 2 deep depth chart. LB is going to be our biggest problem this year without a doubt. If we have an injury or 2 it could be disaster. If Skai were to sustain an injury, it would be equivalent to the defense as losing Bentley would be to the offense. We are thinner and weaker at LB than any other position on the field.
Thinner, yeah. Weaker? Not close.

I said we are losing two LBs, meaning two starter/significant contributor types in Holloman and Walton - although usually only one of the two was in the game, along with BAW. The remainder of the guys in your statement "4 out of 6 off last year's two deep" would refer to Larenz Bryant (who was hurt and hardly played) and Sherrod Pittman (who hardly played and was basically sent packing). They combined for a whopping 6 tackles last year. Yeah, crippling losses off the two deep there. TJ Brunson had twice as many stops as the total for those two (12 tackles).

We usually only play two true LBs, so we may have the best duo in the country in BAW and Skai, two Seniors with beaucoups starts and talent. So weaker - no, not even close.

When we go to 3 and have to put Brunson in (assuming he is the 3rd guy), we will fall off a little in terms of talent and experience. But he looked legit as a true Freshman. Then you have Wilder moving over, a JUCO, and three talented Freshmen. So 8 guys to essentially play 2 positions.

If a couple of key guys get hurt, then depth will be a problem. But that is true of most units on most teams.
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Thinner, yeah. Weaker? Not close.

I said we are losing two LBs, meaning two starter/significant contributor types in Holloman and Walton - although usually only one of the two was in the game, along with BAW. The remainder of the guys in your statement "4 out of 6 off last year's two deep" would refer to Larenz Bryant (who was hurt and hardly played) and Sherrod Pittman (who hardly played and was basically sent packing). They combined for a whopping 6 tackles last year. Yeah, crippling losses off the two deep there. TJ Brunson had twice as many stops as the total for those two (12 tackles).

We usually only play two true LBs, so we may have the best duo in the country in BAW and Skai, two Seniors with beaucoups starts and talent. So weaker - no, not even close.

When we go to 3 and have to put Brunson in (assuming he is the 3rd guy), we will fall off a little in terms of talent and experience. But he looked legit as a true Freshman. Then you have Wilder moving over, a JUCO, and three talented Freshmen. So 8 guys to essentially play 2 positions.

If a couple of key guys get hurt, then depth will be a problem. But that is true of most units on most teams.
No so. We play more 3 LB sets than anything else. Brunson played very little at LB. Most of his contributions were on Special teams which is a world of difference from playing in the LB spot every down. We have basically 2 guys with any experience for 3 positions to fill. Depth is extremely important at this level even if you have no injuries. We simply do not have the manpower to fill these important positions. Relying on freshmen to come in and play is not a prescription for success especially at LB, which is probably the hardest position on the defense to play. There is no substitute for experience.
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No so. We play more 3 LB sets than anything else. Brunson played very little at LB. Most of his contributions were on Special teams which is a world of difference from playing in the LB spot every down. We have basically 2 guys with any experience for 3 positions to fill. Depth is extremely important at this level even if you have no injuries. We simply do not have the manpower to fill these important positions. Relying on freshmen to come in and play is not a prescription for success especially at LB, which is probably the hardest position on the defense to play. There is no substitute for experience.
You got numbers on how often we go with 3 LBs? Why do we spend so much time talking about the Buck and Nickel positions if we never use them? Why are two positions that we hardly ever use get listed as starters?

Brunson played more LB than Pittman or Bryant, who you seem to regard as major losses. But he should be closer to being ready this year, and Skai is an upgrade over Walton and Holloman.

Bottom line - we will be about the same when we go with three LBs, better when we go with 2 LBs.

The we have Wilder and Thompson with two years of experience, and three Freshmen with good potential. We lose 4 but only two contributors, and gain 6 including one of our best ever.

You would have valid concerns if this was 2018. In 2017, you don't.
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You got numbers on how often we go with 3 LBs? Why do we spend so much time talking about the Buck and Nickel positions if we never use them? Why are two positions that we hardly ever use get listed as starters?

Brunson played more LB than Pittman or Bryant, who you seem to regard as major losses. But he should be closer to being ready this year, and Skai is an upgrade over Walton and Holloman.

Bottom line - we will be about the same when we go with three LBs, better when we go with 2 LBs.

The we have Wilder and Thompson with two years of experience, and three Freshmen with good potential. We lose 4 but only two contributors, and gain 6 including one of our best ever.

You would have valid concerns if this was 2018. In 2017, you don't.
Our base defense is the 4-3, like most college football teams. We use a nickel package primarily in passing downs and situations. The rest of the time we are primarily in a 4-3. The "3" represents LBs. We currently do not have 3 with experience let alone any backups. Therefore, we will have to play a lot of freshmen or put DEs and DBs in situations that are not well suited for their talents and abilities. That will be a problem. What you and many others apparently don't understand is that it makes no difference what you call a guy - "Buck", "Spur", "Rover", etc. it is the ALIGNMENT that determines your defensive scheme. You can put a guy in you call a "Buck" and move him down to DE, or up to LB, or wherever you want, but you still have the same alignment. If he is at DE then somebody else is at LB. You can bring in a safety type guy and put him in at OLB and call him a "Spur", but guess what? You still have the same alignment. You just are not able to execute it as well in certain situations because you don't have the personnel on the field to do it. When you run a 4-3 alignment, but don't have the right guys with the proper skill sets to execute it, problems arise. Mark my words. This is going to be a problem this year. If Skai gets injured, it won't just be a problem, it will be a disaster.
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Our base defense is the 4-3, like most college football teams. We use a nickel package primarily in passing downs and situations. The rest of the time we are primarily in a 4-3. The "3" represents LBs. We currently do not have 3 with experience let alone any backups. Therefore, we will have to play a lot of freshmen or put DEs and DBs in situations that are not well suited for their talents and abilities. That will be a problem. What you and many others apparently don't understand is that it makes no difference what you call a guy - "Buck", "Spur", "Rover", etc. it is the ALIGNMENT that determines your defensive scheme. You can put a guy in you call a "Buck" and move him down to DE, or up to LB, or wherever you want, but you still have the same alignment. If he is at DE then somebody else is at LB. You can bring in a safety type guy and put him in at OLB and call him a "Spur", but guess what? You still have the same alignment. You just are not able to execute it as well in certain situations because you don't have the personnel on the field to do it. When you run a 4-3 alignment, but don't have the right guys with the proper skill sets to execute it, problems arise. Mark my words. This is going to be a problem this year. If Skai gets injured, it won't just be a problem, it will be a disaster.
If we play in a 4-3 and one of the "3" is a Buck, then you only have two true Linebackers. ALIGNMENT is totally irrelevant. And we play a Buck a hell of a lot - or else why do we spend so much time talking about the position on the depth chart and on the recruiting board?

If we played three true Linebackers that much, then the back-ups would have more than 18 total tackles - especially if, as you point out, Brunson had most of his 12 tackles on special teams. The truth is that we mostly played with two and rotated three guys.

You are making a big deal about losing two LBs - Pittman and Bryant - who had 6 total tackles. Bryant hardly played due to injury and we basically forced Pittman to leave, so how are they big losses? We are adding five new guys at the position, plus one of the best ever to play the position is coming back as a major upgrade. We are fine.

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If we play in a 4-3 and one of the "3" is a Buck, then you only have two true Linebackers. ALIGNMENT is totally irrelevant. And we play a Buck a hell of a lot - or else why do we spend so much time talking about the position on the depth chart and on the recruiting board?

If we played three true Linebackers that much, then the back-ups would have more than 18 total tackles - especially if, as you point out, Brunson had most of his 12 tackles on special teams. The truth is that we mostly played with two and rotated three guys.

You are making a big deal about losing two LBs - Pittman and Bryant - who had 6 total tackles. Bryant hardly played due to injury and we basically forced Pittman to leave, so how are they big losses? We are adding five new guys at the position, plus one of the best ever to play the position is coming back as a major upgrade. We are fine.

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Ok, if I'm ever wrong I'll let you know, but the last time was in 1992 and then I only thought I was wrong when I was actually correct.

What you don't seem to get is that a "Buck" is not a position. It is a person. It is a person who may line up at multiple positions. He is a Rover and He may be at LB on one play or at DE on another play. In Muschamp's system they have even lined up at NG in some situations. If you line him up at DE you don't then have 3 DEs lined up. You still have 2 DEs and have someone else lined up at LB. No matter where you line him up you still have a 4-3 alignment (except when in a nickel package) with 2 DEs and 3 LBs - whoever they may be. We only have 2 of those LBs presently and NO experienced depth.

Although we are not stacked at any position we are in much better shape at DB and DL with enough guys to rotate in. We don't have that at LB.
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If we play in a 4-3 and one of the "3" is a Buck, then you only have two true Linebackers. ALIGNMENT is totally irrelevant. And we play a Buck a hell of a lot - or else why do we spend so much time talking about the position on the depth chart and on the recruiting board?

If we played three true Linebackers that much, then the back-ups would have more than 18 total tackles - especially if, as you point out, Brunson had most of his 12 tackles on special teams. The truth is that we mostly played with two and rotated three guys.

You are making a big deal about losing two LBs - Pittman and Bryant - who had 6 total tackles. Bryant hardly played due to injury and we basically forced Pittman to leave, so how are they big losses? We are adding five new guys at the position, plus one of the best ever to play the position is coming back as a major upgrade. We are fine.

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One of the 3 is not a buck. One of the 4 up front is a buck. The buck can stand up and make it much like the 3-4 or get on the line in the regular 4-3 look. If you remember Ingram, and a couple of highly mobile DE's before him, they essentially did the same thing in some situations.
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