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Old 05-02-2018, 07:12 PM   #81
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Excellent post Ace. The only players leaving this program are the ones not contributing to the team. This is good for them and our program. Don't know why all the crying with some of these posters. Many of those leaving don't put forth the effort, don't work out on their own. Our good guys do these things.

When PJ turned UNC down to come here Roy Williams reportedly told him he could not play for a better coach than Frank Martin.
Then why is Frank recruiting and signing guys who aren't willing to put in the effort? Not enough players out there that fit his style? Is he doing a poor job of evaluating the work ethic of the kids he's recruiting?
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Old 05-02-2018, 10:32 PM   #82
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Ok, so I take it you believe the guys who are leaving are either (1) not legit talents or (2) donít fit Frankís system. Then why is Frank recruiting them? Is he poor at evaluating talent and gauging who fits his system? Or are there not enough players out there that fit his system and he has to take chances on guys?
I think most of them have the talent. Frank has a good eye for that, and - despite what you read on this board - he is a good recruiter. And if they have the talent, they fit his system.

The reason that so many players do not make it is (3) they are not dedicated. If you do not want to work hard enough to learn Frank's system, and are more concerned about partying with your buds and spending quality time at Five Points, then you are not going to work for Frank.

As to why we get guys that do not want to work hard and have high moral standards, it is hard to project what recruits will do in college. The players worked hard enough in high school to be really good players. But they have work twice as hard in college to be a success, and some players don't want to do that.

Plus, a lot of players are fine until they get away from home and around the temptation that comes with being a star with lost of partying possiblities. Truth be known, I crawled up Green Street from Five Points a few nights when I was in school.

And even if they are willing to work hard, some guys are put off by Frank's brand of tough love. It is the same reason that a bunch of knobs bail at the Ctiadel every year - it ain't easy and it ain't for everybody.
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Old 05-02-2018, 11:12 PM   #83
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I think most of them have the talent. Frank has a good eye for that, and - despite what you read on this board - he is a good recruiter. And if they have the talent, they fit his system.

The reason that so many players do not make it is (3) they are not dedicated. If you do not want to work hard enough to learn Frank's system, and are more concerned about partying with your buds and spending quality time at Five Points, then you are not going to work for Frank.

As to why we get guys that do not want to work hard and have high moral standards, it is hard to project what recruits will do in college. The players worked hard enough in high school to be really good players. But they have work twice as hard in college to be a success, and some players don't want to do that.

Plus, a lot of players are fine until they get away from home and around the temptation that comes with being a star with lost of partying possiblities. Truth be known, I crawled up Green Street from Five Points a few nights when I was in school.

And even if they are willing to work hard, some guys are put off by Frank's brand of tough love. It is the same reason that a bunch of knobs bail at the Ctiadel every year - it ain't easy and it ain't for everybody.
Not wanting to put in the work and partying with your friends are not traits that this kids just all of a sudden picked up. Evaluation of a kid is more than his skill set it's also about his work ethics and type of person he is.
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Old 05-02-2018, 11:51 PM   #84
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Recruiting is not a science. Often times, its a crapshoot. A kid can have basketball ability, size, and athleticism, but for some reason or reasons, he doesn't fit well in a particular program. And you can't know that until he is put into the program and has a chance to practice and compete against his teammates. And then, there are those who become dissatisfied because other guys on the roster are getting to play more than them. They look at the roster and decide they don't want to risk another year to see if they can earn more minutes. So they leave hoping the grass is greener somewhere else. Frank doesn't have many players transfer who are playing a lot.
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Not wanting to put in the work and partying with your friends are not traits that this kids just all of a sudden picked up. Evaluation of a kid is more than his skill set it's also about his work ethics and type of person he is.
What are you going to do - hire detectives to trail potential recruits? We are not recruiting thugs - Frank has said on many occasions that Rah is a beautiful kid. And their coaches, family and teachers are not going to say bad things about the young men. Face it - if they were partying a lot, they never would have become D1 prospects.

If a detective had trailed me in HS, I would have passed with flying colors. I was a good student, went to church three times a week, stayed pretty chill. And I put in enough time and work on basketball court to be really good - if I had any athletic ability.

But when I got away from home and around hot coeds and a few bad influences...sex, drugs n' rock and roll, baby!
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Burns is considering reclassifying and coming to USC sure could use some quality big men behind Silva if Silva returns.
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Burns is considering reclassifying and coming to USC sure could use some quality big men behind Silva if Silva returns.
Yep.

http://www.thestate.com/sports/colle...210404469.html

If he does it might give us more room in the 2019 class.

Something else too. I hope Jason Cudd is working his butt off to get stronger and shoot better. I would feel a whole lot better about our inside game.
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Yep.

http://www.thestate.com/sports/colle...210404469.html

If he does it might give us more room in the 2019 class.

Something else too. I hope Jason Cudd is working his butt off to get stronger and shoot better. I would feel a whole lot better about our inside game.
I expect Cudd to be better next year. I think he is going to do well. Our post talent next season should be the best in quite a while, assuming Silva returns.
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I expect Cudd to be better next year. I think he is going to do well. Our post talent next season should be the best in quite a while, assuming Silva returns.
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Burns (if he reclassifies)

Without Silva we definitely need Burns now.
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We need all those kids to reclassify Frank should really let those kids know to take Summer classes and come to USC in August. It wonít happen but having Gary or Christian Brown (who we are unlikely to get) would really bolster our roster. How will another year of high school benefit these kids? If I were Frank Iíd be calling them everyday cause we need all the help we can get.
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Without Silva we definitely need Burns now.
You left out Frink. I think.
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We need all those kids to reclassify Frank should really let those kids know to take Summer classes and come to USC in August. It wonít happen but having Gary or Christian Brown (who we are unlikely to get) would really bolster our roster. How will another year of high school benefit these kids? If I were Frank Iíd be calling them everyday cause we need all the help we can get.
We need another guard for next year. If Bowen plays, we won't need Gary or Brown next year. Don't want too many because they all can't play.

If we get Burns or Kaosi Ezeagu for 2018, I wonder if Frank will try to play three bigs some, or a lot, next season?
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