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Old 06-05-2018, 07:49 PM   #41
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Not really sure where all this hype is coming from? No McDonalds AA, no elite transfers, just kinda the same but more bodies and less Lithuanians
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Old 06-05-2018, 07:57 PM   #42
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Not really sure where all this hype is coming from? No McDonalds AA, no elite transfers, just kinda the same but more bodies and less Lithuanians
Just let it play out nobody expected squat from Frank Booker and he was arguably the best player last season outside of Silva. You donít see Butler signing high school all Americans but they always make it to the tourney.
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Old 06-05-2018, 08:07 PM   #43
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Not really sure where all this hype is coming from? No McDonalds AA, no elite transfers, just kinda the same but more bodies and less Lithuanians
So basically, the typical Frank Martin recruiting class....which isn't a bad thing.

Barring a crazy stretch of deep tournament runs and more money being pumped into the MBB program, we're probably not getting any McDonald's AA's unless they're local.
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This class is missing the star that Frank needs to turn things around. Should maintain the status quo though.
Yeah, doesn't really seem to be any difference maker players in the class.
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Old 06-07-2018, 05:41 PM   #45
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We return....
  • Our best player, Chris Silva.
  • Our other big man, Maik Kotsar. Remember how much our Baltic players improved by their Senior years? Maik came on at the end of the year and is ahead of LChat and Kacinas at this stage of his career.
  • Two back-up bigs who were true Freshmen last year and will be a LOT better as Sophs.
  • A talented wing in Minaya, who also should be much improved.
  • Our starting PG in Gravett. Granted, he scuffled a lot at times, but it was his first year at the position. He will be better.
  • A legit experienced PG coming in as a grad transfer.
  • A talented Freshman PG - giving us three better options than we had last year.
  • Two talented wings to go with Minaya - a big Guard type and a high flying energy guy.

Better inside - check.
Better on the wings - check.
Better at PG (a lot) - check.

We were a PG/on-ball defender away from being an NCAA team last year. Frank has addressed that (and then some), but we will be better at the wings and inside also. Plus, we will have three Seniors to give us the veteran leadership that was missing last year. We will be much, much better - and if we get Lawson also, watch out.
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Old 06-07-2018, 05:54 PM   #46
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I really like the roster. As Ace stated we will have some good returning players and I think the incoming class is much better than many think. Of all the options we have at PG this will quickly make us a better team. I look for Kotsar to be much improved. He and Silva gives us two good bigs to go with all the guards and wings we have.
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Old 06-07-2018, 06:28 PM   #47
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Not really sure where all this hype is coming from? No McDonalds AA, no elite transfers, just kinda the same but more bodies and less Lithuanians
People seem to really place weight on 247sport's composite class ratings, talking about where this class is ranked nationally. The incoming class of freshmen this year is rated higher on average than every other class since the 2014 cycle, and that includes the 2015 class that had 5* Dozier and Silva. The 2014 class was one that was led by 4* TeMarcus Blanton, and included Marcus Stroman, Shamiek Sheppard, and James Thompson who never made it into the program.

This incoming class also has a higher average rating than the 2013 class that included high 4* Thornwell, 4* Demetrius Henry, Notice and McKie. That class was a huge class, and was a top 25 ranked class, but mostly due to the overall points from so many commitments.

So when it comes down to it - because the 2012 class, CFM's first - was not highly rated at all, this incoming class is the highest rated class based on average rating points per commitment of CFM's time at USC, other than the 2014 cycle. The national rankings (and SEC) for each class:

2012: 63 (13)
2013: 24 (5)
2014: 42 (8)
2015: 33 (7)
2016: 65 (11)
2017: 64 (12)
2018: 59 (10)


Not eye-popping rankings there, but as several have said, if we pull Lawson into the class, then it could end up being one of the top 2-3 classes CFM and staff have brought to USC.....
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Old 06-07-2018, 07:49 PM   #48
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People seem to really place weight on 247sport's composite class ratings, talking about where this class is ranked nationally. The incoming class of freshmen this year is rated higher on average than every other class since the 2014 cycle, and that includes the 2015 class that had 5* Dozier and Silva. The 2014 class was one that was led by 4* TeMarcus Blanton, and included Marcus Stroman, Shamiek Sheppard, and James Thompson who never made it into the program.

This incoming class also has a higher average rating than the 2013 class that included high 4* Thornwell, 4* Demetrius Henry, Notice and McKie. That class was a huge class, and was a top 25 ranked class, but mostly due to the overall points from so many commitments.

So when it comes down to it - because the 2012 class, CFM's first - was not highly rated at all, this incoming class is the highest rated class based on average rating points per commitment of CFM's time at USC, other than the 2014 cycle. The national rankings (and SEC) for each class:

2012: 63 (13)
2013: 24 (5)
2014: 42 (8)
2015: 33 (7)
2016: 65 (11)
2017: 64 (12)
2018: 59 (10)


Not eye-popping rankings there, but as several have said, if we pull Lawson into the class, then it could end up being one of the top 2-3 classes CFM and staff have brought to USC.....
Thanks for the research. And there are signs pointing to the class being even better than the ranking....

The rankings do not reflect transfers. Campbell was a 4* coming out of HS. He has not lived up to the rating so far, but he has talent, experience, and he might have been a key player last year if he was not hurt. Bolden was not rated as high in HS, but he has played like a 4* in college - a starter on a perennially good team, double digit scorer, 3 rebounds, 3 assists, good defender.

Our two HS Guards both left home and played for high level national powerhouse teams. They faced really good competition and will be more advanced than your normal High School player, but that is not good for your stats - you are playing with a lot of other talent and there is only one ball. Which means they should be a lot better than their star rating, and be closer to being college ready. But if they had stayed put, they would have put up bigger numbers, gotten a lot of local press, and be ranked higher.

Frink's stats were lower because he played on a team with a big-time Center - one that racked up a lot of points/rebounds and was the focus of the low-post game. But Frink is good at doing the things that you need to be a successful team - rebound, garbage baskets off rebounds, play team defense, plus he moves well and has a nice three point shot. Another sleeper.

And then you have the addressing needs thing - two PGs including one with a lot of experience, two big Guards plus a 3rd sitting out, talented wings to go with Minaya.

This will be a a really good team by the time everyone gets assimilated at year's end. And it is a strong class.
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Old 06-07-2018, 08:57 PM   #49
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You gents better take a look at the 2018-19 schedule!! We don't have time to meld and gell!! They need to be ready to rock early or we will get rocked...
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Old 06-14-2018, 06:26 PM   #50
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Old 06-14-2018, 07:10 PM   #51
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We talk about all the great in state players we aren't attempting to get
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Old 06-14-2018, 10:48 PM   #52
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We talk about all the great in state players we aren't attempting to get
That’s not true. The top players just don’t want to play for a program that has been mediocre for decades.
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Old 06-14-2018, 10:51 PM   #53
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If Frank patches together a tourny bid, I expect all the naysayers to own up.......

I predict a tourny bid..... but what the hell do I know?
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