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Old 04-13-2018, 12:53 AM   #21
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Lol we don't want Burns? If that's true that's truly pathetic. We take guys like Doumbia, Gueye, Tut every year but Burns, the #74 player in his class, we don't want. OK. No wonder we're at the bottom of the SEC in recruiting every year.
The rumor is that we prefer Malcolm Wilson out of Ridge View. I personally say take them both.
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The rumor is that we prefer Malcolm Wilson out of Ridge View. I personally say take them both.
Coach Frank should be thinking that way... But there is another 6'11" kid we lead for that is highly skilled.. Brandon Stone is supposed to be the real deal
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The rumor is that we prefer Malcolm Wilson out of Ridge View. I personally say take them both.
I still think that is due to the fact we have little shot to get Burns now. We also have some work to do with Wilson.
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Old 04-13-2018, 09:20 AM   #24
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Coach Frank should be thinking that way... But there is another 6'11" kid we lead for that is highly skilled.. Brandon Stone is supposed to be the real deal
Stone weighs like 200lbs. He also is not coming out till next year now unless he changed his mind again. We should have been all over Burns. One thing I know is Rick Barnes likes tough kids just like Frank and has been all over Burns for some time now. We left the door wide open and this is why we now have no shot. The Staff can say they prefer Wilson all they want but the truth is they dropped the ball and now trying to save face - imo. I mean hey, were not going to get them all but at least have a plan and give max effort. I personally don't think FM likes to recruit and does not invest the needed time he should and that's the reason we almost always have to settle for the lesser guys. Just think where we would be if Bowen would have ended up U of L. Regardless I am a Gamecock and hoping he proves me wrong.
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Stone weighs like 200lbs. He also is not coming out till next year now unless he changed his mind again. We should have been all over Burns. One thing I know is Rick Barnes likes tough kids just like Frank and has been all over Burns for some time now. We left the door wide open and this is why we now have no shot. The Staff can say they prefer Wilson all they want but the truth is they dropped the ball and now trying to save face - imo. I mean hey, were not going to get them all but at least have a plan and give max effort. I personally don't think FM likes to recruit and does not invest the needed time he should and that's the reason we almost always have to settle for the lesser guys. Just think where we would be if Bowen would have ended up U of L. Regardless I am a Gamecock and hoping he proves me wrong.
you are preaching to the choir.. no one here seems to disagree with you.. Yes Stone is 2019 and so are Burns and Wilson.. Stone will likely be 225 by the time he arrives.. Lets just hope we can sign 2 of the 3
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I think Frank needs to quit waiting so long to offer kids.
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Default Re: 2019 - DJ Burns

I definitely think Frank's recruiting could be better but there's no sure thing that even if we were first to offer Burns that he would pick us. Some kids don't want to stay close to home and they may have already been fans of another program. I grew up in South Carolina and I can tell you for fact that unless Clemson was my only or perhaps my best offer as an athlete out of high school, then I wouldn't have chose them. Also some people just don't mesh well, maybe he didn't like Frank Martin and staff or vice versa. But who knows he might be trending Tennessee now but he may but there's a lot of time left and he could always end up being a Gamecock anyway.
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Stone weighs like 200lbs. He also is not coming out till next year now unless he changed his mind again. We should have been all over Burns. One thing I know is Rick Barnes likes tough kids just like Frank and has been all over Burns for some time now. We left the door wide open and this is why we now have no shot. The Staff can say they prefer Wilson all they want but the truth is they dropped the ball and now trying to save face - imo. I mean hey, were not going to get them all but at least have a plan and give max effort. I personally don't think FM likes to recruit and does not invest the needed time he should and that's the reason we almost always have to settle for the lesser guys. Just think where we would be if Bowen would have ended up U of L. Regardless I am a Gamecock and hoping he proves me wrong.
This is one thing I don't agree with. If you want to say you disagree with their evaluation very strongly that's one thing, if you want to say they're lying their asses off to save face it's another. You're saying the latter. I disagree with Wilson over Burns but I don't really have any reason to doubt that they see it that way. They've been in on both, it's not like them liking Wilson comes out of nowhere.
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I don’t want Burns or Stone. With Silva leaving that would leave you with the following bigs

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None of them play above the rim, and other than Kotsar, they all lack the athleticism needed in the SEC.

Burns and Frink are repetitive. Stone is a fitness, stretch 4 that lacks strength, and honestly, of Frank wanted him, he would have stayed in 2018 and would have signed on Wednesday.

Carolina needs Wilson, a 6’11 rim protector that can block shots, rebound and defend...someone who plays above the rim.

Hopefully Frank can add another athletic 6’8 to 6’10 athlete to pair with Wilson.

For 2018: with the guards coming to campus, Inwould expect David Beatty to be the next transfer, He doesn’t do anything well. Can’t shoot or score, can’t handle the ball all that well and can’t defend. A major disappointment.
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Its pretty damn pathetic if its true that we aren't actively pursuing Burns
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I donít want Burns or Stone. With Silva leaving that would leave you with the following bigs

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Kotsar

None of them play above the rim, and other than Kotsar, they all lack the athleticism needed in the SEC.

Burns and Frink are repetitive. Stone is a fitness, stretch 4 that lacks strength, and honestly, of Frank wanted him, he would have stayed in 2018 and would have signed on Wednesday.

Carolina needs Wilson, a 6í11 rim protector that can block shots, rebound and defend...someone who plays above the rim.

Hopefully Frank can add another athletic 6í8 to 6í10 athlete to pair with Wilson.

For 2018: with the guards coming to campus, Inwould expect David Beatty to be the next transfer, He doesnít do anything well. Canít shoot or score, canít handle the ball all that well and canít defend. A major disappointment.
Unless Wilson has gotten bigger since last time I saw him he is too small. He gets pushed around in HS I can only imagine he will get man handled in the SEC. Burns has a much higher ceiling imo than Wilson and its not close. To be quite frank their is no reason I would have passed up on Burns to take Frink. We will see how it shakes out.
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This is one thing I don't agree with. If you want to say you disagree with their evaluation very strongly that's one thing, if you want to say they're lying their asses off to save face it's another. You're saying the latter. I disagree with Wilson over Burns but I don't really have any reason to doubt that they see it that way. They've been in on both, it's not like them liking Wilson comes out of nowhere.
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I donít want Burns or Stone. With Silva leaving that would leave you with the following bigs

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Kotsar

None of them play above the rim, and other than Kotsar, they all lack the athleticism needed in the SEC.

Burns and Frink are repetitive. Stone is a fitness, stretch 4 that lacks strength, and honestly, of Frank wanted him, he would have stayed in 2018 and would have signed on Wednesday.

Carolina needs Wilson, a 6í11 rim protector that can block shots, rebound and defend...someone who plays above the rim.

Hopefully Frank can add another athletic 6í8 to 6í10 athlete to pair with Wilson.

For 2018: with the guards coming to campus, Inwould expect David Beatty to be the next transfer, He doesnít do anything well. Canít shoot or score, canít handle the ball all that well and canít defend. A major disappointment.
That makes good sense and I agree. Wilson should be the guy we go after. Hope he is interested in us. We have not had much luck recruiting in our own backyard.
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That makes good sense and I agree. Wilson should be the guy we go after. Hope he is interested in us. We have not had much luck recruiting in our own backyard.
Last I heard we were trailing for Wilson but that has been some time ago. We miss or go of'er for Wilson and Burns and that is a big fail to say the least.
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Both Wilson and Stone are 6-10, 200 lb centers. We will only get one of them. Or, which is also a very good likelihood with this staff, we'll get neither.....
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Unless Wilson has gotten bigger since last time I saw him he is too small. He gets pushed around in HS I can only imagine he will get man handled in the SEC. Burns has a much higher ceiling imo than Wilson and its not close. To be quite frank their is no reason I would have passed up on Burns to take Frink. We will see how it shakes out.
6'10" and 205. Similar to Brandon Wallace.
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6'10" and 205. Similar to Brandon Wallace.
Yeah I don't see him dominating the paint no time soon.
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Or...we'll get both and they'll be at a new school in 2 years
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Yeah I don't see him dominating the paint no time soon.
If you see it that well then coach. If not let's trust Frank. It was barely 13 months ago when we were in the Final Four thanks to his recruiting and development, just trust the man. I know you're not a fan of how things have played out but just trust the man. Let's see how the 2019 class plays out before calling it a failure which you seem more than ready to do in April 2018.
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If you see it that well then coach. If not let's trust Frank. It was barely 13 months ago when we were in the Final Four thanks to his recruiting and development, just trust the man. I know you're not a fan of how things have played out but just trust the man. Let's see how the 2019 class plays out before calling it a failure which you seem more than ready to do in April 2018.

Brandon Wallace was relatively effective despite never dedicating himself to putting on the weight he needed to play inside.

Martin's strength program has really put muscle on players consistently, so I think Wilson would be someone that might be physically ready to help early defensively, but he'll be a project offensively. Someone that size who talks in interviews about being hesitant on offense may never quite get there, but that wouldn't make him a bust at the college level at least.

They are going to need someone who can defend and rebound and Wilson seems to be as likely as anyone.

Sam Muldrow is another similar body type and recruiting situation.
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