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Old 06-13-2018, 02:29 PM   #41
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I wish Frank would recruit like Muschamp. All out, man to man press. But I guess that's not his style.
With the advent of text messaging and social media, there's no reason not be in a recruit's ear non-stop during the recruiting process. Maybe Frank hasn't evolved his methods to the way things are done now? Might explain why our recruiting classes have been lackluster and why we've lost out on so many of our top in-state kids.

You read on our football recruits and you hear the same thing from all them...they hear from our coaching staff every day. How long would it take Frank to send out text messages each day to each recruit? 10 minutes, tops?

Maybe this is part of Frank's demeanor and him not being able to relate to kids these days. He's definitely not a coach to coddle players and boost their egos, but that's just the way recruiting is these days. Most kids these days need to hear how much you love them and want them and what you can do for them. That's not Frank's style.
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Old 06-13-2018, 02:36 PM   #42
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With the advent of text messaging and social media, there's no reason not be in a recruit's ear non-stop during the recruiting process. Maybe Frank hasn't evolved his methods to the way things are done now? Might explain why our recruiting classes have been lackluster and why we've lost out on so many of our top in-state kids.

You read on our football recruits and you hear the same thing from all them...they hear from our coaching staff every day. How long would it take Frank to send out text messages each day to each recruit? 10 minutes, tops?

Maybe this is part of Frank's demeanor and him not being able to relate to kids these days. He's definitely not a coach to coddle players and boost their egos, but that's just the way recruiting is these days. Most kids these days need to hear how much you love them and want them and what you can do for them. That's not Frank's style.
I think its as clear as glass the man just doesn't like to Recruit - period.
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I think its as clear as glass the man just doesn't like to Recruit - period.
Well, that answers a lot of questions then. Every so often you'll luck into recruits who just want to come to your school, like he did with Thornwell and Dozier. But you've gotta bust your tail for most of them. And, yes, kiss up a lot.
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With the advent of text messaging and social media, there's no reason not be in a recruit's ear non-stop during the recruiting process. Maybe Frank hasn't evolved his methods to the way things are done now? Might explain why our recruiting classes have been lackluster and why we've lost out on so many of our top in-state kids.

You read on our football recruits and you hear the same thing from all them...they hear from our coaching staff every day. How long would it take Frank to send out text messages each day to each recruit? 10 minutes, tops?

Maybe this is part of Frank's demeanor and him not being able to relate to kids these days. He's definitely not a coach to coddle players and boost their egos, but that's just the way recruiting is these days. Most kids these days need to hear how much you love them and want them and what you can do for them. That's not Frank's style.
If the article by Kornblut is accurate, it looks like Frank Martin is completely out of touch with the way recruiting is done these days.
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If the article by Kornblut is accurate, it looks like Frank Martin is completely out of touch with the way recruiting is done these days.
The F4 is getting him a major pass on recruiting by a lot of our fan base. Its going to be a harsh reality when in 2 years we are bottom dwellers in the SEC. Reality is SEC Basketball is on the rise and most Teams are getting quality players not projects.
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Old 06-13-2018, 10:43 PM   #46
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It's a risky recruiting strategy for sure.
If we want him here, it's a non-existent recruiting strategy.
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Can Muschamp recruit basketball prospects too? My god CFM just doesnít get it.
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Doesn't seem to be much hope for this basketball program if we continue to consistently whiff on the talented instate prospects. Coaching only goes so far...must have the talent.
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Where's Thumpin when you need him?
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I don't think Frank is lazy, but I do think he is old school. His recruiting methods remind me of Spurrier.
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I don't think Frank is lazy, but I do think he is old school. His recruiting methods remind me of Spurrier.
Well, Spurrier himself admitted he was lazy at the end in recruiting. I don't think Frank is an overall lazy coach/person. He strikes me as a very hard worker. But, not having any contact with a player who should be one of your top targets for 2 weeks in inexcusable. Either Frank thinks this in the bag, so he's not bothering or he really just doesn't understand how recruiting works. It's obvious from Gary's statement, that he's a little puzzled not to have heard from us.
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I'm sure Frank's got an unknown player from Eastern Europe that's played basketball for a year or so in the wings so he's taking it easy on this one.

But it's the fan support that's the problem.
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I'm sure Frank's got an unknown player from Eastern Europe that's played basketball for a year or so in the wings so he's taking it easy on this one.

But it's the fan support that's the problem.
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Doesn't seem to be much hope for this basketball program if we continue to consistently whiff on the talented instate prospects. Coaching only goes so far...must have the talent.
100% correct.. But the truth is the final four run extended the amount of time we will have to endure this foolishness... It's so hard to comprehend.. No doubts Coach Martin wants to win big on a consistent basis.. He obviously does not want to recruit... This is more like Eddie Fogler than Spurrier.. SOS was so accomplished he could get away with being lazy... Fogler loathed the AAU mess to point where he retired to avoid recruiting... But Fogler was never lazy
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As frustrating as his recruiting is donít wish Frank away. If Frank were at a national power like Kansas, UNC, Duke he would win multiple championships because those places recruit themselves. Frank is a top X and O guy but a horrible recruiter. He says he doesnít look at stars but 9 times out of 10 those recruiting experts know an elite player from an average player.
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As frustrating as his recruiting is donít wish Frank away. If Frank were at a national power like Kansas, UNC, Duke he would win multiple championships because those places recruit themselves. Frank is a top X and O guy but a horrible recruiter. He says he doesnít look at stars but 9 times out of 10 those recruiting experts know an elite player from an average player.
I don't understand your point!! His job is to make South Carolina a national power!! No way to do that without a comprehensive energetic recruiting program
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I don't understand your point!! His job is to make South Carolina a national power!! No way to do that without a comprehensive energetic recruiting program
Youíre right all Iím saying is Frank could easily leave and have more success somewhere where recruiting is easy. My solution would be dump Perry Clark for a younger guy maybe even promote Brian Steele (walk on guard who played in Frankís early years here) because we need someone who can connect with these recruits on social media.
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As frustrating as his recruiting is donít wish Frank away. If Frank were at a national power like Kansas, UNC, Duke he would win multiple championships because those places recruit themselves. Frank is a top X and O guy but a horrible recruiter. He says he doesnít look at stars but 9 times out of 10 those recruiting experts know an elite player from an average player.
Sounds like spurrier
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Youíre right all Iím saying is Frank could easily leave and have more success somewhere where recruiting is easy. My solution would be dump Perry Clark for a younger guy maybe even promote Brian Steele (walk on guard who played in Frankís early years here) because we need someone who can connect with these recruits on social media.
Recruiting is work, no matter where you go.

I guarantee you guys like Coach K bust their a**es in recruiting. Nick Saban is relentless in recruiting, and no place recruits itself better than Bama.

Those guys have to work just hard in order to land the best of the best because they are fighting with other top programs for the same recruits.

If Frank went to, say, UNC, he would still get some good players because it's UNC, but he wouldn't routinely land the best players b/c he'd get out-worked by others.
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